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Appeals Process

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weirdo
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Appeals Process

Post by weirdo »

Could anyone offer any advice on the following please?

I was dismissed on 20/02/12, for Gross Misconduct, I swore ( matter o factly ) in the context of a sentence in April 11.

I was on a two year serious from Jan 10.

I had my appeal on 09/03/12.

I had an Atos Report done on me on 17/03/12 ( after my Dismissal! )

And Ive heard nothing since........

I sent of my ET1 and thats been acccepted, and ive kept my Area Rep informed.

The Atos report was very, pro Me, but then I've never had a problem with Atos( I've been seeing them periodically since 2004 )

I qualify under the Equality Act.

So, any ideas as to why the wait for a decision?

Cheers
hantsman
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Re: Appeals Process

Post by hantsman »

RM nearly always drag out the appeal time,

1 so you miss the ET timeout

2 I believe they check with their legal team ie Weightmans to see if they could lose at an ET
weirdo
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Re: Appeals Process

Post by weirdo »

Thanks, Hantsman.

Your probably right, still, if it was an open and shut case, it would've been shut by now?

I got a standard letter from Acas today, looking at a possible settlement, is that the norm?

That could be that then.
General Mannerheim
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Re: Appeals Process

Post by General Mannerheim »

weirdo wrote:Thanks, Hantsman.

Your probably right, still, if it was an open and shut case, it would've been shut by now?

I got a standard letter from Acas today, looking at a possible settlement, is that the norm?

That could be that then.
The tribunal gets Acas to act as a broker between you and wankmans(RM lawyers)and that they can perhaps work towards settling your differences....a settlement is something altogether different where they offer you some dosh or your job back as a settlement to your claim as you've only just started on this route I'd be amazed if wankmans where offering you a `settlement`.
Royal Mail managers.....about as popular as a t.urd in a swimming pool!
The DDA/Equality Act demands action,NOT words......adjustments NOT Occupational Health referrals.Case No:2505901/09
Royal Mail is an Equal Opportunities Employer..It discriminates against everybody.
hantsman
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Re: Appeals Process

Post by hantsman »

General Mannerheim wrote:
weirdo wrote:Thanks, Hantsman.

Your probably right, still, if it was an open and shut case, it would've been shut by now?

I got a standard letter from Acas today, looking at a possible settlement, is that the norm?

That could be that then.
The tribunal gets Acas to act as a broker between you and wankmans(RM lawyers)and that they can perhaps work towards settling your differences....a settlement is something altogether different where they offer you some dosh or your job back as a settlement to your claim as you've only just started on this route I'd be amazed if wankmans where offering you a `settlement`.

RM do not have to speak to ACAS and its very rare they do, but if they do its normally because they have made a boo boo.
Glenno
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Re: Appeals Process

Post by Glenno »

weirdo wrote:Thanks, Hantsman.

Your probably right, still, if it was an open and shut case, it would've been shut by now?

I got a standard letter from Acas today, looking at a possible settlement, is that the norm?

That could be that then.
weirdo the ACAS letter is about Mediation and is sent to both parties :wave :wave
General Mannerheim
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Re: Appeals Process

Post by General Mannerheim »

hantsman wrote:
General Mannerheim wrote:
weirdo wrote:Thanks, Hantsman.

Your probably right, still, if it was an open and shut case, it would've been shut by now?

I got a standard letter from Acas today, looking at a possible settlement, is that the norm?

That could be that then.
The tribunal gets Acas to act as a broker between you and wankmans(RM lawyers)and that they can perhaps work towards settling your differences....a settlement is something altogether different where they offer you some dosh or your job back as a settlement to your claim as you've only just started on this route I'd be amazed if wankmans where offering you a `settlement`.

RM do not have to speak to ACAS and its very rare they do, but if they do its normally because they have made a boo boo.
I never said they have to speak to ACAS I said they act as a broker and in my experience they use ACAS to try and fish for answers particularly if the other party is unrepresented and doing it alone,granted they don't tend to speak to ACAS if the other side is represented by the cwu :silenced but some of us know why that is. :speak to the hand
Royal Mail managers.....about as popular as a t.urd in a swimming pool!
The DDA/Equality Act demands action,NOT words......adjustments NOT Occupational Health referrals.Case No:2505901/09
Royal Mail is an Equal Opportunities Employer..It discriminates against everybody.
hantsman
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Re: Appeals Process

Post by hantsman »

General Mannerheim wrote:
hantsman wrote:
General Mannerheim wrote:
weirdo wrote:Thanks, Hantsman.

Your probably right, still, if it was an open and shut case, it would've been shut by now?

I got a standard letter from Acas today, looking at a possible settlement, is that the norm?

That could be that then.
The tribunal gets Acas to act as a broker between you and wankmans(RM lawyers)and that they can perhaps work towards settling your differences....a settlement is something altogether different where they offer you some dosh or your job back as a settlement to your claim as you've only just started on this route I'd be amazed if wankmans where offering you a `settlement`.

RM do not have to speak to ACAS and its very rare they do, but if they do its normally because they have made a boo boo.
I never said they have to speak to ACAS I said they act as a broker and in my experience they use ACAS to try and fish for answers particularly if the other party is unrepresented and doing it alone,granted they don't tend to speak to ACAS if the other side is represented by the cwu :silenced but some of us know why that is. :speak to the hand
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I never said you did General , I got my info from a senior ACAS case worker in mediation, who had previously dealt with RM
weirdo
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Re: Appeals Process

Post by weirdo »

Cheers fellas
weirdo
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Re: Appeals Process

Post by weirdo »

Sorry, i mis informed you, the letter states, it " is to discuss the posibility of a settlement".

So, from a laymans point of view, If a meeting is arranged and RM turn up, then I reckon I'm in front, or if RM decline to the mediation, then they ( RM ) must think they have a case?

Your thoughts please
General Mannerheim
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Re: Appeals Process

Post by General Mannerheim »

weirdo wrote:Sorry, i mis informed you, the letter states, it " is to discuss the posibility of a settlement".

So, from a laymans point of view, If a meeting is arranged and RM turn up, then I reckon I'm in front, or if RM decline to the mediation, then they ( RM ) must think they have a case?

Your thoughts please
That is just the standard letter they send everybody who puts in a claim to a tribunal,it's just reminding you that you can use Acas to settle the case but as already been stated RM hardly ever use Acas as their RM lawyers are arrogant feckwits who think that they can win anything by using bullyboy tactics like threating people with cost orders,refusing to disclose documents that are relevant to your case or generally being as difficult and lying as their paymasters.
I certainly wouldn't read anything into a case if they never turned up at an Acas mediation meeting! :speak to the hand
Did i mention that they are twats.? :roll:
Royal Mail managers.....about as popular as a t.urd in a swimming pool!
The DDA/Equality Act demands action,NOT words......adjustments NOT Occupational Health referrals.Case No:2505901/09
Royal Mail is an Equal Opportunities Employer..It discriminates against everybody.
liamlayor
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Re: Appeals Process

Post by liamlayor »

General Mannerheim wrote:
weirdo wrote:Sorry, i mis informed you, the letter states, it " is to discuss the posibility of a settlement".

So, from a laymans point of view, If a meeting is arranged and RM turn up, then I reckon I'm in front, or if RM decline to the mediation, then they ( RM ) must think they have a case?

Your thoughts please
That is just the standard letter they send everybody who puts in a claim to a tribunal,it's just reminding you that you can use Acas to settle the case but as already been stated RM hardly ever use Acas as their RM lawyers are arrogant feckwits who think that they can win anything by using bullyboy tactics like threating people with cost orders,refusing to disclose documents that are relevant to your case or generally being as difficult and lying as their paymasters.
I certainly wouldn't read anything into a case if they never turned up at an Acas mediation meeting! :speak to the hand
Did i mention that they are twats.? :roll:

Well, you probably did but it can't be repeated too many times!