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Resign excluding 'specialist jobs'

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thegreatestfreddy
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Resign excluding 'specialist jobs'

Post by thegreatestfreddy »

Dear Union Room,

we are about to embark on a resign in our office but we are being vaguely told by the office rep that it won't include 'specialised jobs'....
i have seen the section 15 'ways of working' document and sure enough it is clear how these jobs are to be resourced....

my question is, if you ask colleauges why they are doing those jobs, they have no idea.... does that not suggest that correct 'resourcing methods' ie required skills assessment has not been used... what would you advise......??

the phrase 'nepotism' springs to mind...!! :hmmmm
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Re: Resign excluding 'specialist jobs'

Post by Stormproof »

Our resign excluded 'specialist jobs' aswell. I did'nt understand why either but I'm guessing ours was due to us relocating at the end of the year triggering another resign.
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not me
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Re: Resign excluding 'specialist jobs'

Post by not me »

its bollocks
same in our DO for PHG duties
however(for various reasons) most of these duties have changed people now
so what happened to it being specilaist
I say this as someone who has the skills but not the seniority.
so no self interest
clashcityrocker
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Re: Resign excluding 'specialist jobs'

Post by clashcityrocker »

thegreatestfreddy wrote:
the phrase 'nepotism' springs to mind...!! :hmmmm
The word nepotism would only spring to mind if the person given the job was related to the person allocating the job.

What's difficult?
You can't sign for a duty you are not trained to do.
You can't be a PHG if you are not trained to do that job.
You can't be a driver if you can't drive.

If you have 2 (or more) people trained to do the job, then you use seniority.
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drb
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Re: Resign excluding 'specialist jobs'

Post by drb »

Under the Way Forward agreement:


FILLING OF VACANCIES/JOBS

6. The key requirement is to ensure that all jobs are filled by individuals with the right skills for the job, and
that this is done in a way that both takes account of personal preference, suitability and minimises
disruption to the customer and employees.

“Seniority will be used to fill the majority of jobs, because the Business recognises the value of
employees’ experience and length of service. Those jobs that require more specialist skills have been
identified and are listed at Section 15. They will be filled using an objectively-based selection process.
The necessary training will be given prior to appointment”.

SELECTION BY SKILLS

15.1 All frontline jobs performed by the new multi-skilled single operational grade will have the same
core capabilities. However, it is recognised that there are come jobs that require more
specialised skills. An objective selection process will be introduced for these jobs.

15.2 These jobs will be filled by the most senior person who has achieved the right standard for the
job during the selection process. Sick attendance and conduct record will only be taken into
account where these are relevant to the work. Where training is required by the most senior
suitable person, this will be given prior to appointment.

15.3 Resourcing procedures will be based on the Resourcing Area. This will in all cases be the
Royal Mail administrative area (i.e. the areas managed by Area Managers, subject to review in
the light of any organisational changes). Jobs filled internally will be available to employees
currently working in any office within the Area concerned.

15.4 Vacancies for specialist jobs will be advertised throughout the resourcing area. Applications
should be made in writing to the Resourcing Unit.

15.5 Employees who wish to be considered for specialist jobs in general should register their
interest via the Resourcing Unit or include it in their own Development Plan, a copy of which
will be held by the Resourcing Unit (see section 19). This information will be used for training
planning. Where a vacancy arises, equal consideration will be given to individuals who have
registered their interest through Development Plan or through the Resourcing Unit in writing at
the time when the vacancy is advertised. The objective is to allow and maintain openness and
fairness in relation to resourcing specialist posts.

15.6 The specific jobs that require specialist skills and which will be subject to selection are:

Resourcing Unit (Bookroom);
DOM Support;
Traffic Office;
Enquiry/Callers’ Office;
Major Customer Collection drivers
(to be jointly defined at National level):
Benefits Agency/Customer Mailroom;
Travelling Post Office;
Leadership roles (formerly PHG ‘A’);
Heavy Goods Vehicle Driving (HGV);
Postbus (PSV);
VCS/MAA;
IMP/MTT;
Advanced TPM;
Non-school training

15.7 All specialist jobs will have consistent job descriptions, which will identify the specialist
capabilities and which will be standard throughout Royal Mail.

15.8 Employees who are regarded as suitable should be dedicated to these duties for a minimum of
12 months. If after 12 months the employee wishes to change jobs, they must give adequate
notice to enable a suitable trained replacement to be found before release can be allowed.
The replacement must be available to take up post no later than six months after notice has
been given.

The process for resourcing specialist posts will be one of four options, in the following order,
unless agreed locally to change this order:

• Deployment of existing surplus employees with the appropriate skills;
• Internal advertisement of the job within the resourcing area itself;
• The acceptance of an existing employee with the appropriate skills from another
resourcing area who has previously had his/her name placed on the transfer list for that
resourcing area;
• External advertisement.

15.9 This decision will be taken locally, but normally jobs will be filled by internal advertisement, by a
surplus employee or a transferee before there is recourse to external advertisement.
thegreatestfreddy
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Re: Resign excluding 'specialist jobs'

Post by thegreatestfreddy »

clashcityrocker wrote:
thegreatestfreddy wrote:
the phrase 'nepotism' springs to mind...!! :hmmmm
The word nepotism would only spring to mind if the person given the job was related to the person allocating the job.

What's difficult?
You can't sign for a duty you are not trained to do.
You can't be a PHG if you are not trained to do that job.
You can't be a driver if you can't drive.

If you have 2 (or more) people trained to do the job, then you use seniority.
I use the word 'nepotism' here as it is implied favoritism.....

.....these so called 'specialist jobs' in my 16 years at this office have never been advertised to my recollection ever... certainly the vast majority of my colleagues undertaking this 'specilalist' work at the moment have not been placed in post via advertisement.. interview... skills assessment... training....

hence what do you conclude....??? :crazy:
drb
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Re: Resign excluding 'specialist jobs'

Post by drb »

The rules are there. However,and sadly, favortism rules the roost. The members should have their say on this. perhaps the resource meeting with the rep? Perhaps the rep is not familiar with the agreement? If not feel free to print off the afore-mentioned agreement.