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Retirement at 34 due to ill health after 3 months off??

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dj77
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Retirement at 34 due to ill health after 3 months off??

Post by dj77 »

Hi Im looking for some opinions and advice. I am a member of the union although never had any need to call upon their help before & cant even find any contact details of my rep( but im on to it! )
Im a 34 year old mother who's worked for Royal mail 25 hours p/w for four years with no past physical problems. Ive never had any notable time off work before.
Last September I started suffering from Sciatica. I continued working for 6 weeks or so with painkillers from the Drs but my manager was pressuring me saying that I should be doing my round quicker as when someone else covered it they managed to in better time than me. Due to the fact that previous to sciatica I never run over my hours whilst doing my round I decided I couldnt cope. I went to the Drs and they signed me off for 2 weeks. Im still signed off now & after 4 half hour atos arranged physio sessions Im no better. Im taking morphine and early signs are I have a slipped disc causing sciatica. My 1st Nhs appointment is next week. Today I had a call saying Royal mail have applied for me take early retirement due to ill health. WHAT?? :shock: Talk about kick me when im down! Is this normal or have they just taken a massive disliking to me?? Probably I got this slipped disc through work so shouldnt they at least give me the chance to get better before they kick me out? I love my job and defo dont want to leave at 34. (Thanks if your still reading!) :thumbup
pokos27
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Re: Retirement at 34 due to ill health after 3 months off??

Post by pokos27 »

i would speak to the union to get some representation, its atos who will recommend ill health retirement, usually the dom would phone you up and ask how you are.
perhaps they are trying to get you back.
dj77
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Re: Retirement at 34 due to ill health after 3 months off??

Post by dj77 »

Thanks for the speedy reply! :thumbup I thought it was strange that I spoke to my manager just before & he didnt mention ihr then ATOS said that yesterday. Atos said that they will wait until I have had 6 Nhs physio sessions then review the situation. Can they just force me to leave if im not better after that? If so do they have to pay me anything when I leave?( not that I want to leave just wondering if they are going to soften the blow or not)
dj77
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Re: Retirement at 34 due to ill health after 3 months off??

Post by dj77 »

Also why would ATOS recommend that I should take ill health retirement already? My Dr said its ludicrus that they are proposing this as im 34 and far from terminally ill or permenantly disabled.
noggin1969
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Re: Retirement at 34 due to ill health after 3 months off??

Post by noggin1969 »

Disability Discrimination at Work

Approximately one fifth of the working age population in Great Britain is disabled. This represents 6.9 million workers with disabilities. Workers with a disability enjoy the same general employment rights as other workers but may also be protected under the Disability Discrimination Act 1995 ("DDA").
Who qualifies under the DDA?

The DDA defines a disabled person as someone who has :-

"....a physical or mental impairment which has a substantial and long term adverse effect on the person's ability to carry out normal day to day activities".

This involves, therefore, a consideration of four questions :-
1. Is there an impairment?

There is no definition of "physical impairment" but this can include weakening or defects in the body caused through illness, accident or which may have existed since birth e.g. blindness, deafness, diabetes, heart disease or limb paralysis. Recognized mental illnesses may constitute a mental impairment as can learning disabilities in certain cases.
2. Does the impairment adversely affect the person's ability to carry out normal day to day activities?

Such activities are those that affect one of the following :-

mobility;
manual dexterity;
physical co-ordination;
continence;
ability to lift, carry or otherwise move everyday objects;
speech, hearing, or eyesight;
memory or ability to concentrate, learn or understand ;
perception of the risk of physical danger.

A worker's performance at work is not an example of day to day activities but evidence of the nature of a worker's duties at work and the way in which they are performed, particularly if they include day to day activities from the list above, can be relevant to the assessment.
3. Is the adverse effect substantial?

Substantial means "more than minor or trivial" and not "very large".

Measures taken to treat or correct a medical condition are discounted so that, for example, in cases such as insulin for diabetes or hearing aids for the hearing impaired the condition is considered as if the treatment had stopped leaving the question whether the person would then have an impairment with a relevant adverse effect.
4. Is the substantial adverse effect also a long term effect?

An effect is long term if :-

it has lasted at least twelve months; or
the period for which it lasts is likely to be at least twelve months; or
it is likely to last for the rest of the life of the person affected.

Conditions which have been found to constitute a disability

ME/CFS
abdominal pain
bipolar affective disorder
bulimia nervosa
sciatica
emphysema
epilepsy
diabetes
asthma
degenerative disc disease
depression and anxiety neurosis
muscular dystrophy
visual impairment not correctable by glasses/contact lenses
paranoid schizophrenia
hearing impairment

How does the law protect a disabled worker?

It is unlawful to discriminate against a disabled person because of their disability :-

in the recruitment process
in their terms and conditions of employment
in considering them for promotion, transfer, training or other benefits
by dismissing them
by treating them less favourably than other workers
by subjecting them to harassment or victimization.

What forms of discrimination exist under the DDA?

Disability Discrimination is unlawful where there is :-

Less favourable treatment on grounds of disability (direct discrimination) ;
Less favourable treatment without justification for a reason relating to a person's disability
Failure to make reasonable adjustments where, for example, the physical layout of the work place substantially disadvantages a disabled person.
Harassment where there is unwanted conduct on the grounds of disability that violates a person's dignity or creates an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humilating or offensive environment. The conduct will be regarded as harassment if, having regard to all the circumstances, including in particular the disabled person's perception, it should reasonably be considered as having that effect;
Victimization which occurs when a worker is subjected to less favourable treatment than others for having alleged discrimination, having brought proceedings against the employer, having given evidence or taken any other action under the DDA.

What are reasonable adjustments?

Employers have a duty to make reasonable adjustments as soon as they become aware that a job applicant or member of staff is disabled within the meaning of the DDA. Not asking whether something is needed is not a defence for not knowing and it is the duty of the employer to take reasonable steps to find out whether adjustments are needed.

Examples of reasonable adjustments might include :-

altering the disabled person's working hours
allocating some of the disabled person's duties to another person
allowing a disabled person to be absent during working hours for rehabilitation, assessment or treatment
providing special equipment or modifying existing equipment to take account of the disability
providing additional supervision or support
making adjustments to premises.

Whether it is "reasonable" for an employer to make a particular adjustment will include an assessment of the following types of issue :-

how effective the adjustment might be in preventing the disadvantage
how practical the adjustment might be
the financial and other costs of the adjustment and the financial and other resources available to the employer
the size and type of business
the availability of financial or other help to make the adjustment e.g. grants may be available under the Access to Work scheme.

It is sensible for employers to keep a record of their consideration of reasonable adjustments to be able to respond to any allegation of discrimination under the DDA which might be made.
patrickstar
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Re: Retirement at 34 due to ill health after 3 months off??

Post by patrickstar »

hi
sorry to hear about your problems.
first of all you have suffered a back related injury and quite likely to have sustained this at work.in meeting your needs management should be doing their best to make reasonable adjustments and getting you back to work if able in some form of duty.if you feel you are able to do some work ,and i am not sure exactly how bad you are do you think you could do some indoor work.if you are in delivery ,is the front counter job available.if you work near a mail centre could they have you there on a temporary basis.if you have to have surgery then this will be corrective and could improve your condition.Long term this will help your job term capablity.if they are forcing you to take medical retirement they have to be very careful that they have not made reasonable adjustments that is subject to possible dda discrimination and you could well take them to an et.please get good advice from a local rep

thanks
drb
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Post by drb »

Fill in the enclosed form. (Disability and accident declaration form). Send it to your local Job Centre. You will then be assessed for disability benefit and of course DDA.

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demon
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Re: Retirement at 34 due to ill health after 3 months off??

Post by demon »

HI THERE can anyone one on this post also help me out i to have been told the same but we are going through a repick at the moment i have dda but as i dont want to step on anyones toes i will only pick a job when it is my turn to pick one thing is they are saying that there is only one job left what i can have based on the atos report but i might want to pick my own job but it is 4 + hours of walking and atos said a maxs of 3 hours plus parcels to make my time up fair i think but can they not just adjust my duty pick to fit around my dda and atos report then i could stay in my section and be with friends any help would be great
pokos27
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Re: Retirement at 34 due to ill health after 3 months off??

Post by pokos27 »

with atos you can request a face to face examination, rather than just a phone call.
the problem is the job is going to mean longer walks more park and loop .
speak to union rep or phone up cwu or royal mail have that help service which is listed on back of wage slip you can speak to them
analogsynthman
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Re: Retirement at 34 due to ill health after 3 months off??

Post by analogsynthman »

dj77 wrote:Hi Im looking for some opinions and advice. I am a member of the union although never had any need to call upon their help before & cant even find any contact details of my rep( but im on to it! )
Im a 34 year old mother who's worked for Royal mail 25 hours p/w for four years with no past physical problems. Ive never had any notable time off work before.
Last September I started suffering from Sciatica. I continued working for 6 weeks or so with painkillers from the Drs but my manager was pressuring me saying that I should be doing my round quicker as when someone else covered it they managed to in better time than me. Due to the fact that previous to sciatica I never run over my hours whilst doing my round I decided I couldnt cope. I went to the Drs and they signed me off for 2 weeks. Im still signed off now & after 4 half hour atos arranged physio sessions Im no better. Im taking morphine and early signs are I have a slipped disc causing sciatica. My 1st Nhs appointment is next week. Today I had a call saying Royal mail have applied for me take early retirement due to ill health. WHAT?? :shock: Talk about kick me when im down! Is this normal or have they just taken a massive disliking to me?? Probably I got this slipped disc through work so shouldnt they at least give me the chance to get better before they kick me out? I love my job and defo dont want to leave at 34. (Thanks if your still reading!) :thumbup
Hi there, sciatica is a very painfull problem as i know you're aware. I'd just like to tell you about my wife, she has this and it comes and goes.
What she has found is since she started yoga (within a few weeks) the sciatica went away.
If she has a week or two off the yoga it comes back! so obviously the yoga helps.
This might or might not work for you but i'd give it a try, all the best.
Judgee
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Re: Retirement at 34 due to ill health after 3 months off??

Post by Judgee »

"I love my job" .....Don't tell them that they will kick you out on the grounds of insanity! :crazy:



As for medically retiring you it sounds like it's just a tactic to get you back to work. Your union rep should be able to give you better advice contact them asap! :wink:
Union what Union? Do we have a union?
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Post by Stormproof »

I had to attend one of those ATOS medicals at the DWP when I registered my injury 3 years ago. I apparently fell below the % needed for Industrial Injury benefit. Still having problems now due to the accident. Don't know whether its worth having it reassessed :hmmmm
So keep on moving, moving, moving your feet
Keep on shuf-shuf-shuffling to this ghost dance beat
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Postal1
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Re: Retirement at 34 due to ill health after 3 months off??

Post by Postal1 »

So how does IHR work within royal mail. Is it considered if you are incapable in doing your delivery such as a 5hr round. Or is it based on not being able to do any job within royal mail when ihr is considered?
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Re: Retirement at 34 due to ill health after 3 months off??

Post by fishtank »

Postal1 wrote:So how does IHR work within royal mail. Is it considered if you are incapable in doing your delivery such as a 5hr round. Or is it based on not being able to do any job within royal mail when ihr is considered?

Two definitions.

IHR with lump sum...
The cessation of employment as a result of serious physical or mental ill health (not simply a decline in energy or ability) such that, in the opinion of Royal Mail Group or associated employer, the employee is, for the foreseeable future, incapable of:

a) carrying out his current duties;

b) carrying out such other duties for the employer as the employer might reasonably expect the member to perform.

IHR with immediate pension...
The cessation of employment as a result of serious physical or mental ill health (not simply a decline in energy or ability) such that, in the opinion of Royal Mail Group or associated employer the member is permanently incapable of:

a) carrying out his current duties;

b) carrying out such other duties for the employer as the employer might reasonably expect the member to perform; and

c) engaging in employment with any other employer of a type which, in the opinion of his present employer, would be reasonable and appropriate for the member.
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dj77
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Re: Retirement at 34 due to ill health after 3 months off??

Post by dj77 »

analogsynthman wrote:Hi there, sciatica is a very painfull problem as i know you're aware. I'd just like to tell you about my wife, she has this and it comes and goes.
What she has found is since she started yoga (within a few weeks) the sciatica went away.
If she has a week or two off the yoga it comes back! so obviously the yoga helps.
This might or might not work for you but i'd give it a try, all the best.
Thanks for that! Im gunna give it a go!