the demise of seniority

[non-driver7]

Having worked for royal mail for over seven years in a delivery office.
I thought with the new changes coming in that when full time vacancies were available they would be based on seniority. However that is not the case I am third in seniority in my office they are planning on making 5 upto full time. But as I cannot drive I am not getting what I deserve. This is totally unfair. Anybody else had the same problems?

[drb]

Here is The Way Forward Agreement on resourcing.


RESOURCING TO JOBS (F/T AND P/T) THAT DO NOT REQUIRE SELECTION BY SKILLS

14.1 Royal Mail and CWU recognise the need for Royal Mail to have the facility to recruit directly to full-time posts in all operational units. This agreement therefore replaces the relevant provisions of the SFMB and modifies paragraph 3e) of the Agreement on Delivery Issues, accordingly. Both parties also recognise the need to provide employees with the opportunity to change jobs in a way that fulfils their legitimate development aspirations, meets possible personal needs and avoids disruption to service and to customers.


14.2 The principles underpinning the new Resourcing Agreement are set out below.

External recruitment to full-time posts is essential to ensure that RM has the widest choice of candidates from which to select.
Existing and future part-time employees will continue to have opportunities to gain full-time employment locally and further afield.
The filling of posts should result in minimum disruption by ensuring that a full-time vacancy does not trigger a series of moves.
The practice of ‘most senior individual’ will be used when filling non-specialist jobs internally. The only jobs not filled on this basis are specified in Section 15: Selection by Skills.
Jobs advertised externally will be filled on an open resourcing basis and offered to the most suitable person.

14.3 The process for resourcing full-time and part-time, non-specialist posts will comprise one of four options, in the following order, unless agreed locally to change this order:

Internal advertisement of the job within the currently recognised resourcing unit/s.
Deployment of existing surplus employees.
The acceptance of an existing employee from the wider resourcing area or another resourcing area who has previously had his/her name placed on the transfer list for that resourcing unit.
External advertisement.

14.4 Where a full-time post is advertised internally, it will be available to all full-time employees and part-time employees, who have opted for full-time employment, in that resourcing unit. The posts will be filled on the basis of ‘most senior individual’. Where a part-time post is advertised internally, it will be available to all employees as above and filled in the same way.

14.5 The resulting vacancy will be temporarily filled by a reserve, a surplus employee, a transferee from within the wider resourcing area or another resourcing area or by direct recruitment in line with the process above.

14.6 When the number of consequential vacancies in the resourcing unit reaches 5%, or after a period of six months following the last such exercise (if earlier), the posts will be advertised in the resourcing unit, en bloc and filled on the basis of seniority. If this results in any further vacancies, these will be filled, using the same process as above.

14.7 Existing part-time employees, in post at the date of this Agreement, will be asked if they have an interest in full-time employment. A list will be maintained of these employees. Part-time employees on the list will be eligible to apply for internally-advertised posts, alongside full-time employees. They would then pick up the post based on their seniority. If unsuccessful they will be eligible to apply for future jobs advertised internally until appointed.

14.8 Where a full-time vacancy is advertised externally, all part-time staff will be able to express an interest. They will not have a right to the vacancy and will be considered alongside external applicants using the same criteria. Where unsuccessful, the reason will be explained in writing and they will be invited to discuss this with their line manager. They will remain in their current post and will have the opportunity to apply for future externally advertised full-time vacancies.

14.9 Employees taking up internally-advertised posts will be dedicated to them for a minimum of12 months. No applications for job moves will be considered during that period, unless they are:

For specialist posts;
As a result of serious personal or domestic reasons, following discussions with local CWU representatives.

14.10 RM and CWU locally will monitor the operation of this Agreement to ensure that the principles set out above are upheld and that a reasonable balance is secured between the Business need to have greater access to the full-time job changer market and the legitimate interests of existing and future part-time employees.

[Lounge Lizard]

Having worked for royal mail for over seven years in a delivery office.
I thought with the new changes coming in that when full time vacancies were available they would be based on seniority. However that is not the case I am third in seniority in my office they are planning on making 5 upto full time. But as I cannot drive I am not getting what I deserve. This is totally unfair. Anybody else had the same problems?

No surprise that Royal Mail no longer pays an allowance for driving.
Jumping up the seniority ladder is the new incentive instead.
Maybe unfair, but that's how it is.

[Himaggen]

But as I cannot drive I am not getting what I deserve.

I beg to differ, your inability to drive gives you exactly what you deserve, a non driving selection set.

To start griping about seniority is frankly laughable, I don't care if you have thirty years seniority with the last seven in delivery, seniority only works when across the board when tied to experience.
Everyone with five years in delivery is no less experienced than the next, (they know no less than another about that particular skill), unless they have worked to a lesser skill set. That person unfortunately is you, someone with lesser seniority but sufficient delivery experience behind them who can also drive is technically more experienced, even deserving!

[comeracing]

But as I cannot drive I am not getting what I deserve.

I beg to differ, your inability to drive gives you exactly what you deserve, a non driving selection set.

To start griping about seniority is frankly laughable, I don't care if you have thirty years seniority with the last seven in delivery, seniority only works when across the board when tied to experience.
Everyone with five years in delivery is no less experienced than the next, (they know no less than another about that particular skill), unless they have worked to a lesser skill set. That person unfortunately is you, someone with lesser seniority but sufficient delivery experience behind them who can also drive is technically more experienced, even deserving!

himmagen,what total rubbish you are spouting off,so you think somebody who works 39 hrs a week with 3 years service should have a pick of a new duty over somebody on 36 hrs a week with 15 years service,get a life :vcfo :dcfo :ncfo

[fishtank]

Management should not be allowed to bypass seniority and only offer increased hours to drivers.
The increase in hours does not relate to driving it relates to indoor hours,
Speak to your rep,if no joy get your branch involved.

[clashcityrocker]

Perhaps as part of the new flow process, people will be required to drive around the new super duper Dos.
Drive from the backless IPS frames to feed the dedicated prepper.
Mudas with wheels. It is the way forward.

[drb]

I think people are getting pushed from pillar to post, is that most offices are running with vacancies. You will not get moved from your walking duty to a driving duty as you don't drive. However you will get moved to "cover" a walk if that individual can cover a driving duty. (I'm getting dizzy now! )

[maisymoo04]

Having worked for royal mail for over seven years in a delivery office.
I thought with the new changes coming in that when full time vacancies were available they would be based on seniority. However that is not the case I am third in seniority in my office they are planning on making 5 upto full time. But as I cannot drive I am not getting what I deserve. This is totally unfair. Anybody else had the same problems?

non driver wat do u mean matenot drive ,is this for a driving duty or van share mate

[Himaggen]

so you think somebody who works 39 hrs a week with 3 years service should have a pick of a new duty over somebody on 36 hrs a week with 15 years service

I merely intimated that an employee with no less delivery experience but with the ability to drive is not undeserving of an available driving duty.

Resourcing of same skill jobs is agreed to be based on length of service and of that I have no argument. The problem in this case is not the demise of seniority for same skill jobs its the resourcing of available hours to a specific skill.

[drb]

As part of Business transformation,if you exclude yourself off driving,(van share), you may exclude yourself from available skilled duties. However both the BT and Way Forward agreements does ask to compile skills lists. All driving duties are skilled duties,(much the same as book room and callers). If both individuals are skilled then seniority.

[Lounge Lizard]

As part of Business transformation,if you exclude yourself off driving,(van share), you may exclude yourself from available skilled duties. However both the BT and Way Forward agreements does ask to compile skills lists. All driving duties are skilled duties,(much the same as book room and callers). If both individuals are skilled then seniority.

Of course driving is a skill. You wouldn't need to pass a driving test if it wasn't.

[non-driver7]

As part of Business transformation,if you exclude yourself off driving,(van share), you may exclude yourself from available skilled duties. However both the BT and Way Forward agreements does ask to compile skills lists. All driving duties are skilled duties,(much the same as book room and callers). If both individuals are skilled then seniority.

I have not excluded myself from anything, I was not informed that my chances of becoming full time would be hindered by me not being able to drive. Simple

[Lounge Lizard]

As part of Business transformation,if you exclude yourself off driving,(van share), you may exclude yourself from available skilled duties. However both the BT and Way Forward agreements does ask to compile skills lists. All driving duties are skilled duties,(much the same as book room and callers). If both individuals are skilled then seniority.

I have not excluded myself from anything, I was not informed that my chances of becoming full time would be hindered by me not being able to drive. Simple

Have you considered learning to drive ?

[non-driver7]

Have you considered learning to drive ?

It wasn't a necessity when I first started and it certainly isn't an option now I have 2 young children.
Give me full time and I will.