public bodies paying for union officials

[silly suffolk]

cameron not impressed with public sector [and state owned companies] paying for full time union officials. area and div reps discuss?

[POSTMAN]

Sore throat tonight,will the below do.

:dcfo

[fishtank]

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[silly suffolk]

what we need is loads of old etonians to tell us what to do all day, to work us to death, and let us doff our caps at them.

[POSTMAN]

How much money we talking about here,normally we have the x amount of hospitals could be built,x amount of nurses ect bollox speech with this kind of stuff.

[Big Daz]

Mr Cameron can stop whinging and change the law on time off for union duties and activties then if it bothers him so much.

[fishtank]

Mr Cameron can stop whinging and change the law on time off for union duties and activties then if it bothers him so much.

Mr Cameron is not interested in changing the law.
Mr Cameron is only interested in a little bit of slimy media propaganda.
It wouldn't surprise me if Jeremy Clarkson is on the pay roll.
The Daily Mail Brigade will lap this s**t up.

[dvbuk55]

cameron not impressed with public sector [and state owned companies] paying for full time union officials. area and div reps discuss?

They're either still on the toilet or doing some urgent laundry Perhaps TURC will come up with a solution to unholy bedmates and we will finally have truly independent trade unions and consequently an organisation that can objectively defend its members terms and conditions without fear of financial reprisal. It would of course mean a reorganisation of the unions in such a way that they were stand alone on a financial footing with a pared down employment roll.

[silly suffolk]

cameron not impressed with public sector [and state owned companies] paying for full time union officials. area and div reps discuss?

They're either still on the toilet or doing some urgent laundry Perhaps TURC will come up with a solution to unholy bedmates and we will finally have truly independent trade unions and consequently an organisation that can objectively defend its members terms and conditions without fear of financial reprisal. It would of course mean a reorganisation of the unions in such a way that they were stand alone on a financial footing with a pared down employment roll.

its hard to say, but i agree with u buk55

[Martin Walsh]

cameron not impressed with public sector [and state owned companies] paying for full time union officials. area and div reps discuss?

They're either still on the toilet or doing some urgent laundry Perhaps TURC will come up with a solution to unholy bedmates and we will finally have truly independent trade unions and consequently an organisation that can objectively defend its members terms and conditions without fear of financial reprisal. It would of course mean a reorganisation of the unions in such a way that they were stand alone on a financial footing with a pared down employment roll.

For one of the few who now engage in any debate on this site , I would just remind you that the Royal Mail is not in the public sector dispute because we do not have a publc sector pension and have not had since 1969 and we have not had any taxpayers money and the tax payer does not pay for our release.

Royal Mail pay for the release of the PEC for a number of days , they pay for Divisional Reps , Area Reps , Heath and Safety reps , the release of local reps , some union learning reps and they do it because they know they cannot deal with 100 thousand plus employees indivduallly and that the CWU is one of the highest densitiy of members in any industry in the UK.

A lot of reps do a lot in their own personal time to help members which mostly on here do not get mentioned but are invaluable to those in need.

[dvbuk55]

cameron not impressed with public sector [and state owned companies] paying for full time union officials. area and div reps discuss?

They're either still on the toilet or doing some urgent laundry Perhaps TURC will come up with a solution to unholy bedmates and we will finally have truly independent trade unions and consequently an organisation that can objectively defend its members terms and conditions without fear of financial reprisal. It would of course mean a reorganisation of the unions in such a way that they were stand alone on a financial footing with a pared down employment roll.

For one of the few who now engage in any debate on this site , I would just remind you that the Royal Mail is not in the public sector dispute because we do not have a publc sector pension and have not had since 1969 and we have not had any taxpayers money and the tax payer does not pay for our release.

Royal Mail pay for the release of the PEC for a number of days , they pay for Divisional Reps , Area Reps , Heath and Safety reps , the release of local reps , some union learning reps and they do it because they know they cannot deal with 100 thousand plus employees indivduallly and that the CWU is one of the highest densitiy of members in any industry in the UK.

A lot of reps do a lot in their own personal time to help members which mostly on here do not get mentioned but are invaluable to those in need.

I'm well aware of the circumstances. However there is a similarity insofaras money is being paid for non-productive work by the company. Now you could argue that it is productive work if you happen to be involved BUT it certainly doesn't seem productive to a delivery officer whose delivery has been increased, pay decreased, start times changed etc etc. Now should these individuals be paid by the union instead of the company there would surely be no pressure to obey two masters and avoid a conflict of interest. You of course will have a different opinion I am sure. There was mention of putting these finances on an official footing in BT 2010 so I wonder what the actual cost over a financial year is. There are of course many costs incurred beside payroll, there would be office space, heating, lighting, phones, broadband............pretty much all the expenses required to run any office.

[fishtank]

Could you answer a question dingo.
The union allegedly ran up a huge central billing tab with Royal Mail.
I understand that the exact figure was in dispute but by all accounts it was enough to financially cripple the union,perhaps even enough to send it into bankruptcy with finances being what they are.

What happened to that tab...was it paid in full,in part...or wiped clean?

[dvbuk55]

Could you answer a question dingo.
The union allegedly ran up a huge central billing tab with Royal Mail.
I understand that the exact figure was in dispute but by all accounts it was enough to financially cripple the union,perhaps even enough to send it into bankruptcy with finances being what they are.

What happened to that tab...was it paid in full,in part...or wiped clean?

Deafening!

[Big Daz]

Could you answer a question dingo.
The union allegedly ran up a huge central billing tab with Royal Mail.
I understand that the exact figure was in dispute but by all accounts it was enough to financially cripple the union,perhaps even enough to send it into bankruptcy with finances being what they are.

What happened to that tab...was it paid in full,in part...or wiped clean?

I recall this being mentioed in a LTB.

[silly suffolk]

Could you answer a question dingo.
The union allegedly ran up a huge central billing tab with Royal Mail.
I understand that the exact figure was in dispute but by all accounts it was enough to financially cripple the union,perhaps even enough to send it into bankruptcy with finances being what they are.

What happened to that tab...was it paid in full,in part...or wiped clean?

Deafening!

the fact of the matter will be when we are privatised there will be no full time release for area and div reps , the business will not pay div reps, we wont get free office's on site, the world will be a tougher place, but will we feel a bit more independant?