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Mail Traffic figures
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thechemisyshop
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Mail Traffic figures
we have a board in our office where the manager has written the "average " figures for every day -mon to sat
he then counts up the daily mail we recieve in the office and figures this out
we then get told whether we are above or below the average figures
saying that we always seem to -10 % or minus 13% etc etc...
when its his day off we might be - 1 or 2 % or even plus
even when our frames are bulging with mail and we cant get any more in we are still getting told the mails down !!! (lets lapse a duty )
another thing - these days our boxes of flats are full of letters -they are recorded as flats but by the time they are seperated out about a quarter of them are letters --another management ploy for supporting the mail is down ?
is this happening all over the country ?
he then counts up the daily mail we recieve in the office and figures this out
we then get told whether we are above or below the average figures
saying that we always seem to -10 % or minus 13% etc etc...
when its his day off we might be - 1 or 2 % or even plus
even when our frames are bulging with mail and we cant get any more in we are still getting told the mails down !!! (lets lapse a duty )
another thing - these days our boxes of flats are full of letters -they are recorded as flats but by the time they are seperated out about a quarter of them are letters --another management ploy for supporting the mail is down ?
is this happening all over the country ?
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twobags
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Re: Mail Traffic figures
i did notice that happening last week also didnt the accepted figure on letters per tray mysteriously drop also which helped explain where they may have been getting there lower figures from 
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Thehair
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Re: Mail Traffic figures
dont believe ANY of the figures...They're BOLLOX
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adb2aber
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Re: Mail Traffic figures
C5 letters are being put into the TOP2K (flat sorting machine) as often as possible in order to boost flat sort figures, these will inevitably follow through to delivery offices as letters in a tray of flat. Don't complain too much, in a flat tray they each count as one of maybe 50-60 items. Were they in a letter tray it'd be one of 150+ so it's actually boosting apparent mail volumes.
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IcanthelpthewayIam
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Re: Mail Traffic figures
Not really, when the mail figures are passed to the Delivery offices they are based on the number of trays, each type of tray has an average capacity figure (ACF) trays of flats ACF is about 25-30 and tray of manual letters about 150 ish, so if we are getting 50 or so thin c5 envelopes per box we dodnt get any credit for that as each tray is only counting as 25-30, so basically for every 7 boxes of these flats we are losing a tray a manual mail, so in fact its actual pushing our figures down artificiallyadb2aber wrote:in a flat tray they each count as one of maybe 50-60 items. Were they in a letter tray it'd be one of 150+ so it's actually boosting apparent mail volumes.
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thechemisyshop
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Re: Mail Traffic figures
thats what i was meaning --its like they are sneaking letters into the office
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POSTMAN
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Re: Mail Traffic figures
Question:Walk sequencing,do the letters get counted (by the machine) as they are done so whatever is sorted,the final figure is known for each DO.
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
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The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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krussel
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Re: Mail Traffic figures
Question: How can we deliver up to 6 lots of D2D's per week which are supposed to be included but the figures are still down 
Rows of houses all bearing down on me........I can feel their blue hands touching me.......All these things in all positions.........All these things will one day take control..........
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eastie
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Re: Mail Traffic figures
I started 8 years ago and used to have 4 big bags and the walking part of my duty was timed at 3 hours 45 mins by RM ,
Now on my P/L round , I have 9 bags
and RM says it takes 4 hours 15 mins
(speedwalking 5 hours 30 mins )
Guess what ...........MAIL IS DOWN
Now on my P/L round , I have 9 bags
Guess what ...........MAIL IS DOWN
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gerardy
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Re: Mail Traffic figures
I was just wondering the same as Krussel and was hoping someone could explain it to me,
if every office now has the D2D's built in as part of the workload surely we are delivering to the 27 billion addresses or whatever the figure is.
if these items were not counted prior to the BT transformation then how come the traffic figures are not going up
are we being swindled again?
if every office now has the D2D's built in as part of the workload surely we are delivering to the 27 billion addresses or whatever the figure is.
if these items were not counted prior to the BT transformation then how come the traffic figures are not going up
are we being swindled again?
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PhilthyPhil
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Re: Mail Traffic figures
Yes, they also know the number of letters per walk. This is used when allocating walks to sequencing plans to try and keep an even volume of letters on each plan.POSTMAN wrote:Question:Walk sequencing,do the letters get counted (by the machine) as they are done so whatever is sorted,the final figure is known for each DO.
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Talell
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Re: Mail Traffic figures
putting 'manual' letters through as flats increases your letter walksort/sequence figures, by reducing the amount of 'manual' you have (i.e. to reach transformation lump sum trigger points)
but with a FSM then you are actually increasing your walksorted, so...
but with a FSM then you are actually increasing your walksorted, so...
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Martin Walsh
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Re: Mail Traffic figures
The traffic debate is complex , if you work in an RDC or a mail centre you will have seen about 50% cut in your outward traffic due to the fact that competiors have captured 51% of work which now is classed as DSA. This still comes into the inward part of the mail centre and then still goes into the mail centre.
Business to Bussiness mail has reduced due to emails and stamp mail has reduced. Packets and express mail has increased. Over all revenue has falled due to DSA.
Door to Door has not grown the product except in a few areas and less than a million addresses get 6 items per week , the average is just under 3 and prior to the door agreement it was 2.5.
The recession is having an impact as every other recession has. The digital revolution is also having an impact downloading is on the increase and is expected to impact on the packet Market. Overall Royal Mail only has 27% of the packet Market and the neighbour trial hopes to increase this.
The traffic recording system is clearly not recording traffic accurately . The MIST system should be renamed the MISS system as it misses traffic.
Now there is no postmen and women are more productive then they have ever been but this in my opinion is now to the cuts in deliveries and jobs . My old office in central London used to handles 300 k plus on a GP and over 100k on a second delivery but we have over 350 staff , now it handles around 200k but with a 150 staff. Not all of that work was taffic loss businesses moving out of central London and houses replacing business especially long the Thames.
So in conclusion my belief is that traffic has gone down but not at the rate Royal Mail have argued but at a rate which door to door cannot plug. Packets have grown but downloading is a threat. However Postmen and Women are more productive and have bigger deliveries than ever before due to the fact that there are less of them employed.
Business to Bussiness mail has reduced due to emails and stamp mail has reduced. Packets and express mail has increased. Over all revenue has falled due to DSA.
Door to Door has not grown the product except in a few areas and less than a million addresses get 6 items per week , the average is just under 3 and prior to the door agreement it was 2.5.
The recession is having an impact as every other recession has. The digital revolution is also having an impact downloading is on the increase and is expected to impact on the packet Market. Overall Royal Mail only has 27% of the packet Market and the neighbour trial hopes to increase this.
The traffic recording system is clearly not recording traffic accurately . The MIST system should be renamed the MISS system as it misses traffic.
Now there is no postmen and women are more productive then they have ever been but this in my opinion is now to the cuts in deliveries and jobs . My old office in central London used to handles 300 k plus on a GP and over 100k on a second delivery but we have over 350 staff , now it handles around 200k but with a 150 staff. Not all of that work was taffic loss businesses moving out of central London and houses replacing business especially long the Thames.
So in conclusion my belief is that traffic has gone down but not at the rate Royal Mail have argued but at a rate which door to door cannot plug. Packets have grown but downloading is a threat. However Postmen and Women are more productive and have bigger deliveries than ever before due to the fact that there are less of them employed.