Scotland and N Ireland BT2010

[Tamsky]

Scotland & N Ireland Divisional meeting
18.10.11



Report from Divisional officers meeting with D Ward. All Divisional officers had reported on lack of progress by RM in meeting full terms of BT2010 Agreement. D Ward had reported on negotiations with the European Union over the pension fund transfer to Government. This would determine the financial health of RM. Talks with RM at senior level have commenced over members concerns on BT2010. The Postal Executive has received reports from the talks and it is likely that Divisional Reps will meet again next week. It is also likely that Branches will attend a national brief dependent on progress.

Privatisation – CWU in talks with Government and others over future of RM. National briefing for Branches on 10th November.

Pensions – Policy forum on 10th November.

Attendance procedure – National talks taking place. Still in conflict with RM over application of policy. 25% of RM staff are on some stage warning level under current practice. In particular CWU wants appeals at stage 1 and 2, mandatory discounting of accidents at work, fairer trigger points, OHS involvement at earliest level. It is also important that appeals at Stage 3 dismissal are heard by a manager of a higher grade than the Dismissal manager. Talks are continuing.

Network. BT2010 concluded and 2% paid. Still issues over 'dead leg' journeys. RM wish to proceed to Network 2012.
RDC mixed picture. RM wish to apply performance levels through World Class Mail initiative outside of BT2010.
Area Distribution Drivers – RM position is that they have 1/3rd too many Drivers. Wish to proceed with 'PARAGON' system despite no national agreement.

Mail Centres – Any workplan needs to be agreed locally. World Class Mail sucking up cash. CWU policy is clear, any WCM initiative post May 2011 is without CWU participation.

Qaudrant – Pursuing redundancies. Any reduction in service locally should be met by a Disagreement under the IR framework. Quadrant under some pressure from RM, contract up for renewal in 18 months.

Outdoor
RM Scotland failing to meet the terms of BT2010 has been referred to national officers. Likely that issues may go to ballot. Disagreements on principle points have been submitted. Outdoor Dept now pursuing these at national level. The Outdoor Department agrees with the CWU position in Scotland.
Similar position throughout UK.
Indoor workload Flow – these measures are not agreed with the CWU and should be disagreed under IR Framework. 'Hothouse' revisions proposals not under BT2010 and are not agreed. Target savings not agreed by CWU. Lump sum payments should have been triggered by walk sequenced mail being received. RM ignoring BT2010, happy to remove hours through lapsing while refusing pay outs.
N Ireland – revisions have been implemented and failures are widespread. RM blaming 'performance'.
West of Scotland – RM offered £400 to move start times where required. This is outside of BT2010 and will be considered by CWU Unit reps at a meeting tomorrow.

During discussion it was agreed to submit disagreements in the relevant units for referral to HQ. Particular mention was made of 'a lack of progress' in Cumbernauld DO where a request for a Rule 13 ballot has not yet been met.

In general it was agreed that the best way to get RM Scotland to abide by BT2010 and to secure benefits to members was by supporting the national line.

[steven100]

I must be rather stupid but to discuss all these topics above only to follow the bt2010 agreement when rm management have their own agenda in Scotland and N Ireland is astonishing. On one sentence we could ballot(Scotland), i doubt it. I am not really up with the union protocol etc but rm are either breaking the 2010 agreement or not. Union in scotland which one is it.
If they are breaking the agreement we shouldn't be ifin and butin, ballot papers should be getting sent asap for industial action.

[k60mex]

Dumfries DO has requested a rule 13 ballot over this issue.

[clashcityrocker]

Dumfries DO has requested a rule 13 ballot over this issue.

The experience of the last bout of strike action showed that it is unfair to expect individual DOs to bear the brunt of Industrial Action on their own.
Some units had approx 15 days of strike action, others only 2 days of national strike action.
If one office ballots, every office should be balloted.
One out, all out.

[hans solo]

about time

[fishtank]

Dumfries DO has requested a rule 13 ballot over this issue.

The experience of the last bout of strike action showed that it is unfair to expect individual DOs to bear the brunt of Industrial Action on their own.
Some units had approx 15 days of strike action, others only 2 days of national strike action.
If one office ballots, every office should be balloted.
One out, all out.

Agreed.

[k60mex]

Until they just stop talking about issues at meeting after meeting an individual Do will have to fight their corner and involve the union at national level . Totally agree if one office ballots than every office should ballot but it's just not happening in the West of Scotland.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Dumfries DO has requested a rule 13 ballot over this issue.

The experience of the last bout of strike action showed that it is unfair to expect individual DOs to bear the brunt of Industrial Action on their own.
Some units had approx 15 days of strike action, others only 2 days of national strike action.
If one office ballots, every office should be balloted.
One out, all out.

Agreed.

Nationally if at all possible.

[steven100]

Our union need to more pro active. The way it reads it was nothing more than a social jolly. As a union member i want to see more substance.

[Godric]

Until they just stop talking about issues at meeting after meeting an individual Do will have to fight their corner and involve the union at national level . Totally agree if one office ballots than every office should ballot but it's just not happening in the West of Scotland.

i don't see why we can't all be balloted for industrial action in SW Scotland ... i didn't even know their was a meeting on today

[Godric]

Dumfries DO has requested a rule 13 ballot over this issue.

The experience of the last bout of strike action showed that it is unfair to expect individual DOs to bear the brunt of Industrial Action on their own.
Some units had approx 15 days of strike action, others only 2 days of national strike action.
If one office ballots, every office should be balloted.
One out, all out.

Agreed.

Nationally if at all possible.

to be quite honest i don't trust the CWU at national level after selling us down the river in 2007 and 2009 ... i have zero confidence in hayes, ward and PEC

[dvbuk55]

Outdoor
RM Scotland failing to meet the terms of BT2010 has been referred to national officers. Likely that issues may go to ballot. Disagreements on principle points have been submitted. Outdoor Dept now pursuing these at national level. The Outdoor Department agrees with the CWU position in Scotland.
Similar position throughout UK.
Indoor workload Flow – these measures are not agreed with the CWU and should be disagreed under IR Framework. 'Hothouse' revisions proposals not under BT2010 and are not agreed. Target savings not agreed by CWU. Lump sum payments should have been triggered by walk sequenced mail being received. RM ignoring BT2010, happy to remove hours through lapsing while refusing pay outs.
N Ireland – revisions have been implemented and failures are widespread. RM blaming 'performance'.
West of Scotland – RM offered £400 to move start times where required. This is outside of BT2010 and will be considered by CWU Unit reps at a meeting tomorrow.

Re: Revision Process & Indoor Mail Flow Improvement Process

Dear Colleagues,



Please note that the above PE document was cleared at today’s Special PEC. An LTB will be issued tomorrow attaching the signed Joint Statement.



Hayley Nutley

So is it agreed or not

[fishtank]

Tere was a draft agreement reached after the first LTB.
it was then put to the PEC for clearance.
It would appear they have OK'd it.
We wait with baited breath.

[gazzariah]

Tere was a draft agreement reached after the first LTB.
it was then put to the PEC for clearance.
It would appear they have OK'd it.
We wait with baited breath.

iam sorry are we together or not or do we criss cross banter are there vast issues issues between ireland .scotland and uk that cannot be resolved by the same agreements or
disagreements The fact is rmail want to divide and separate KEEP THE UNION WHOLE.

[Tamsky]

There has been a formal IR meeting at KA/DG Area level.

The CWU input was to say that the local issues over BT2010 have exhausted the IR Framework and would allow any unit in KA/DG to request resolution through the process. (Members meetings to determine a rule 13 request for Industrial Action).

Thes issues include the revision process and Georoute planning values used. Amendments to park and loop. Delay in transformation programme and subsequent refusal of pro rata lump sum payments due. Refusal of Delivery Supplement to all employees tagged to delivery function in regard to MGV/PDG duties. Refusal to fill vacancies. Saturday attendances. Application of IWT.

Other IR issues including possible B&H claims were raised.
Meeting again next week.