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packets + flats,oh yes door to doors as well ?

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packets + flats,oh yes door to doors as well ?

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in our small office these 3 have gone through the roof in the last 2 weeks ,got back to the office mid afternoon today only to see the flats frames full allready for tomorrow,more and more of our staff are refusing to do extra lapsing at the moment,becuase our own dutys are taking us over,and thats without lapsing.
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Result i'd say,but i'm me. :Very Happy
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
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comeracing wrote:in our small office these 3 have gone through the roof in the last 2 weeks ,got back to the office mid afternoon today only to see the flats frames full allready for tomorrow,more and more of our staff are refusing to do extra lapsing at the moment,becuase our own dutys are taking us over,and thats without lapsing.
its september :nana
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We have refused to do lapsing because we couldnt finish our own rounds in time and it was stopped.
See the union rep
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were getting out later than were supposed to ,can we refuse lapsing for that day??????
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spoodoo wrote:were getting out later than were supposed to ,can we refuse lapsing for that day??????
Do your lapsing and then cut off at your finish time.
That way RM are cutting their own throats because you will cut of doing even less of your own round
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eastie wrote:
spoodoo wrote:were getting out later than were supposed to ,can we refuse lapsing for that day??????
Do your lapsing and then cut off at your finish time.
That way RM are cutting their own throats because you will cut of doing even less of your own round
that's the way to stop it i have been saying that in our office for weeks if will go and do are lapsing bit and leave mail on your on duty they will never be able to cover the lot.so then they would have no choice but to stop lapsing but there are still mugs that keep working on that what kill that plan :roll:
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do the lapsing 1st, and reduce your speed, just relax.
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pokos27 wrote:do the lapsing 1st, and reduce your speed, just relax.
everybody says do the lapsing 1st,but why should i let MY CUSTOMERS DOWN ON MY OWN DELIVERY,would it be best to complete my duty and kick the lapsed duty into touch
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Your rep should be on the case here,if you have to cut off because of lapsing then that is effecting QOS so it should be flagged to area.
Mail is being delayed in the name of savings!
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
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this is all very familiar.... :Very Happy
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but why should i let MY CUSTOMERS DOWN ON MY OWN DELIVERY
And that's exactly why they make you do it that way. It relies on you giving a damn about your customers despite the fact that they don't
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comeracing wrote:
pokos27 wrote:do the lapsing 1st, and reduce your speed, just relax.
everybody says do the lapsing 1st,but why should i let MY CUSTOMERS DOWN ON MY OWN DELIVERY,would it be best to complete my duty and kick the lapsed duty into touch
oypostie wrote:
but why should i let MY CUSTOMERS DOWN ON MY OWN DELIVERY
And that's exactly why they make you do it that way. It relies on you giving a damn about your customers despite the fact that they don't
What on earth are you talking about?

First and foremost you need to understand some very important things:
  1. The delivery does not belong to you.
  2. They persons receiving mail from you are not yours.
  3. They are not customers, the customer is the person who sends, (pays for), the mail.
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quick question

is there any agreement that stipulates lapsing is to be done first as its secondary to your own delivery
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keithposty wrote: is there any agreement that stipulates lapsing is to be done first as its secondary to your own delivery

No.
The actual ins and outs of how lapsing is achieved in each office is subject to local agreement but there are guidelines that each office must work within.
Obviously whether an office chooses to do it first or last there has to contingency plans in place to protect Quality of Service if for any reason it can't be achieved.

Delivery Offices
Absorbing Hours & Covering for One Another
Aims
• To jointly identify/implement genuine opportunities to absorb outdoor and/or indoor workload where time exists within approved attendance times/normal paid work hours.
• To provide sensible options for the business to take advantage of opportunities to increase efficiency when workload declines, or there are absences.
• To put in place regular and robust consultation/dialogue between managers and CWU representatives in respect of the resourcing arrangements.
• To ensure quality of service is not adversely affected by any new arrangements.
• To reduce the reliance on causal and agency staff wherever possible on an ongoing basis
• To give people the opportunity to cover for one another or swap duties providing there is no additional cost to the business, to reduce absence and assist with domestic situations etc.
• To provide the appropriate training so that employees are multi-skilled and able to work more flexibly.
• To create a working environment where employees, CWU reps and managers feel valued and motivated.
• To provide a better work life balance for employees

Guiding Principles/Key Criteria
• Managers and CWU reps working together to ensure a successful introduction and operation of jointly identified opportunities/arrangements.
• Provision of suitable release for CWU reps to fully participate in the process including weekly resourcing meetings.
• Advance Identification of traffic levels, absence/leave and workload requirements.
• Provision of the best possible customer service.
• Adherence to all Health & Safety Standards/requirements including walk safe,legal requirements and national/local agreements.
• All staff involved on an equal and fair basis.
• Clearly displayed plans/comms so that all individuals are fully aware 2 weeks in advance of their duty details.
• Walk logs up to date and all appropriate equipment necessary to do the job provided, including personal protective equipment, and transport arrangements.
• Adherence to the Delivery Office Workplan.
• Individuals’ personal circumstances taken into account with a process to arbitrate where issues are raised regarding their ability to work flexibly.
• Staff fully trained, as required, in advance to ensure they are safe and competent to cover work.
• The continuing provision of reasonable local earnings levels.
• No changes to duty attendance times unless agreed locally.
• All leave commitments and family friendly arrangements to remain in place.


Methods/Process
1. Jointly review workload and duty structures within the Unit to maximise effective fulltime duties and provide equally efficient part-time duties.
2. Leave Reserves to be utilised in the most effective way within the Unit.
3. A+ up to date and regularly maintained.
4. Weekly Resourcing Meetings between the DOM and CWU to be a pre-scheduled mandatory requirement for all Offices. All forecast information regarding traffic volumes, parcels where applicable, D2D, levels of walksorted mail, vacancies, all known leave and workplan performance should be shared with the CWU in advance.
The meeting should then:
• Discuss and agree staffing arrangements for at least 2 weeks in advance.
• Take the opportunity to effectively refine workload requirements and staffing arrangements for the following week where any previously unforeseen fluctuation in traffic or leave/absence has or is due to take place.
• Ensure robust contingency plans are in place to deal with any emergency or unexpected traffic fluctuation.
• Ensure all planned changes are communicated/displayed to all employees ASAP following the meeting.
Note: *If it is identified that there is a requirement for staff to work in another unit the process agreed locally under P&M Phase 2 will be used.
5. Joint consultation on daily fluctuations of traffic/workload will also take place ASAP to discuss where opportunities can be identified to maintain or improve efficiency and/or protect quality of service.
6. The Units’ Skills Register will be reviewed/updated to enable the necessary training to be planned/provided so that employees are multi-skilled and able to be used more flexibly throughout the office.
7. Employees will be allowed to swap duties on a weekly or daily basis providing they give at least 24 hours notice, have the necessary skills and there is no cost to the business.
8. A Personal Cover Register will be established to facilitate individuals making their own arrangements if they wish to cover for each other. This cover could be for part of or the complete shift/daily attendance. Individuals will again be required to provide at least 24 hours notice in advance, confirm they have the skills necessary and that
there will be no additional cost to the business (a template for the Personal Cover Register for use is attached at Annex C).
9. A chart will be displayed and updated weekly to illustrate forecast savings/bonus achieved against budget to date under the 50/50 Efficiency Scheme, for the life of the scheme.
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