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osgoody1970
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walk sequencing

Post by osgoody1970 »

heard a runour that my office is getting 70% walk sequencing tomorrow(mon) and the other 30% is coming walksorted, if that happens it's either more part-time duties or longer delivery spans, my question would be, " how long can you walk for each day, before it is detremental to your health?
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Re: walk sequencing

Post by worktotime »

osgoody1970 wrote:heard a runour that my office is getting 70% walk sequencing tomorrow(mon) and the other 30% is coming walksorted, if that happens it's either more part-time duties or longer delivery spans, my question would be, " how long can you walk for each day, before it is detremental to your health?
there is no set time now its was lifted by the cwu in the last agreement thats what we got told , in our office it was 3 1/2 delivery it is now 5+ with p&l , just work your contracted hours and cut off
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Re: walk sequencing

Post by pinstripe »

The only mail that your office will receive sequenced is your mech. Trust me. if that saves you 15 minutes on your whole duty you'll be lucky.
You'll still have flats, packets, magazines, catalogues, and anything in a plastic sleeve. Each walk in my office gets a max of 3 trays of sequenced mail a day, or less than 1 pouch! Considering the average walks have a minimum of 5 bags not including packets, that's not a major impact.

How RM can use sequencing as another reason for p/t duties or longer delivery spans is beyond me as the saving are not there.
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Re: walk sequencing

Post by Hitcher »

And it'll arrive later than the rest of the mail so you'll be throwing off in to a packed frame which means it will take longer than if you had an empty. In my opinion this defeats the whole point of it being sequenced in the first place.

The real way to save money would be to get machines that can deal with all the loose letters but what do I know.

PS While on a rant, why does an awful lot of the loose letters we have everyday come in with the codes on them for machines to sort?
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Re: walk sequencing

Post by fishtank »

Hitcher wrote:And it'll arrive later than the rest of the mail so you'll be throwing off in to a packed frame which means it will take longer than if you had an empty.
Our first batch of sequenced...around 80%-90% of it arrives around 6.
The sequenced mail is always sorted first into our prep frames.
Usually our second batch is just a bundle. :neutral:
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Re: walk sequencing

Post by DGP1 »

fishtank wrote:
Hitcher wrote:And it'll arrive later than the rest of the mail so you'll be throwing off in to a packed frame which means it will take longer than if you had an empty.
Our first batch of sequenced...around 80%-90% of it arrives around 6.
The sequenced mail is always sorted first into our prep frames.
Usually our second batch is just a bundle. :neutral:
:chuckle 2 trays of sequenced mail and 2 trays of walk sorted mail for me most days plus all the manual mail :chuckle :chuckle

And as for the original question.............I've been on 5 hour deliveries for years now and just as long as you follow the weight rules, don't take stupid shortcuts and stretch out before you start your delivery (I have had strange looks from people while stretching my calf muscles but it has really helped with my knees :nervous ).
I'm preparing myself for the zombie invasion, rule number 1 - Cardio
Hitcher
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Re: walk sequencing

Post by Hitcher »

fishtank wrote:
Hitcher wrote:And it'll arrive later than the rest of the mail so you'll be throwing off in to a packed frame which means it will take longer than if you had an empty.
Our first batch of sequenced...around 80%-90% of it arrives around 6.
The sequenced mail is always sorted first into our prep frames.
Usually our second batch is just a bundle. :neutral:
You're lucky then, all of ours arrives about 9.
PhilthyPhil
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Re: walk sequencing

Post by PhilthyPhil »

Hitcher wrote:PS While on a rant, why does an awful lot of the loose letters we have everyday come in with the codes on them for machines to sort?
Because the reject rate on the CSS seems to be way higher than iLSM. When our mail was walksorted on iLSM we would get roughly one tray of manual mail per 30-40 trays of walksorted. Now we get about one tray of manual per 10-14 trays of sequenced. In addition most walks have 20+ letters at the end of the sequenced mail that are not in sequence. I have serious doubts about the savings from sequencing. The savings on prep seem to be marginal at best and the cost of opening MPUs at night and the extra runs to these offices at night must be significant. Our MC feeds 5 MPUs and each of these get two extra runs during the night then there are the extra runs need to get the mail from MPU to DO. Seems totally mad :crazy:
SpacePhoenix
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Re: walk sequencing

Post by SpacePhoenix »

PhilthyPhil wrote:
Hitcher wrote:PS While on a rant, why does an awful lot of the loose letters we have everyday come in with the codes on them for machines to sort?
Because the reject rate on the CSS seems to be way higher than iLSM. When our mail was walksorted on iLSM we would get roughly one tray of manual mail per 30-40 trays of walksorted. Now we get about one tray of manual per 10-14 trays of sequenced. In addition most walks have 20+ letters at the end of the sequenced mail that are not in sequence. I have serious doubts about the savings from sequencing. The savings on prep seem to be marginal at best and the cost of opening MPUs at night and the extra runs to these offices at night must be significant. Our MC feeds 5 MPUs and each of these get two extra runs during the night then there are the extra runs need to get the mail from MPU to DO. Seems totally mad :crazy:
With them boxes of manual what's the % of hand written addresses in them?
PhilthyPhil
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Re: walk sequencing

Post by PhilthyPhil »

When walksorted on iLSM most of the rejects are handwritten or odd sized letters, and when in the tray they look all uneven like you would expect for a tray of hand sorted letters. But the stuff rejected by the CSS seems to mostly look like standard machinable mail and it must be since iLSM has already been able to batch sort it.
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Re: walk sequencing

Post by twobags »

by the tme our sequenced mail [mech] comes in we have thrown in any loose hand sorted mail along with any flats mags and pkts etc that have been done. and it does seem at the moment that there is more hand sorted mail than usual and not all sequenced is sequenced ,mech comes in any time between 8.40 to 9.15 0r not at all
fishtank
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Re: walk sequencing

Post by fishtank »

I would imagine offices that aren't getting their sequenced until late will be looking at later starts.
If and it's a big if mailcentres and MPU's reach their targets of 85-90% walk sequenced it will be impossible to justify starting a 0600-0630 if the bulk of your mail doesn't arrive for another 2 hours.
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Hitcher
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Re: walk sequencing

Post by Hitcher »

We are on later starts but a) it's still earlier than the sequenced arrival and b) those who come in early are stood around doing nothing. :roll:
SpacePhoenix
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Re: walk sequencing

Post by SpacePhoenix »

Later starts say 08:00ish are probably inevitable in deliveries or at least 07:00) as for one thing it would do away with the need for any runs between MCs and DOs before 06:00 so apart from logistics drivers and drivers of runs between MCs and MPUs there wouldn't be any drivers starting their shift before 06:00. What % of DOs could handle their runs arriving in 17.5 tonners?

I wonder if them css machines are very, very fussy about how the mail is presented and loaded into them.
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Re: walk sequencing

Post by Indy »

DGP1 wrote:I've been on 5 hour deliveries for years now and just as long as you follow the weight rules, don't take stupid shortcuts and stretch out before you start your delivery
I'm sorry but 5 hour deliveries just scares me silly..... day after day! we're not all 20yr old whipper snappers!!