Geo-route

robd · Post by **robd** » 04 Sep 2007, 18:16

Just a thought/question for any union reps who have dealt with Geo-route,

Not in our D.O. but apparently imminent,it seems there's no nationally agreed call-rate, so reps seem to be trying
to settle around the 80% mark.
however my point is this,if the D2D's do increase to 5 as seems likely,that's 1 per day,which to my mind will be
a 100% call rate.
surely we could use this to our advantage,after all if you can't beat the system,why not play it!

any tips on how it's affected your D.O. would be much appreciated.

vigilante · Post by **vigilante** » 04 Sep 2007, 18:24

I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT IT BUT WE HAVE 35 TOWN AND 35 RURAL DELIVERIES,
SO BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THEY RECKON IT WORKS.
I'LL FIGHT IT IF WE THINK IT'S S**T

dogfood · Post by **dogfood** » 04 Sep 2007, 18:31

robd, Where does the info that 5 D2Ds seems likely come from?

I am not happy to hear that D2Ds are going to increase and that later starts are a done deal. This and the below inflation pay rise are the primary reason I voted for and supported the strike. I will be one p*ssed of postie if this is true.

The race to the bottom will truly be on if we agree to do more D2Ds and not do battle with the Gov and PostCon regarding the uneven playing field that we are obliged to compete on at a huge disadvantage to ourselves.

I think I will be seeking alternative employment if this happens. But being a miserable old git the chances of changing jobs this late in my life are going to me minimal.

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 04 Sep 2007, 18:36

Yeah I though do 5 and get paid for 3 had been postponed has it reared its ugly head again.

Wild Cat · Post by **Wild Cat** » 04 Sep 2007, 18:41

dogfood wrote:robd, Where does the info that 5 D2Ds seems likely come from?

I am not happy to hear that D2Ds are going to increase and that later starts are a done deal. This and the below inflation pay rise are the primary reason I voted for and supported the strike. I will be one p*ssed of postie if this is true.

The race to the bottom will truly be on if we agree to do more D2Ds and not do battle with the Gov and PostCon regarding the uneven playing field that we are obliged to compete on at a huge disadvantage to ourselves.

I think I will be seeking alternative employment if this happens. But being a miserable old git the chances of changing jobs this late in my life are going to me minimal.

Don't worry Dogfood if they increase the D2Ds to more than 3 I certainly won't be able to complete as I struggle at the moment.

You can only work to time,if they want to bombard us with more than 8 hours work a day we will just have to slow down and work to time and they will be the losers then as our productivity will go through the floor.

It looks like they want team leaders in who will be willing to work till 5pm for no extra pay and say yes guv every time but I say f**k em I'll never say yes.

Post by **dvbuk55** » 04 Sep 2007, 18:44

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:Yeah I though do 5 and get paid for 3 had been postponed has it reared its ugly head again.

The idea of 5 for 3 has gone away but the idea of increasing D2D hasn't - it is a fundamental plank of increasing revenue both CWU and RM are in favour - just not in favour of something for nothing

I'm sure I read somewhere that there had been a suggestion of shrink wrapping several D2Ds together and counting them as 1 item - I don't know how this would sit with the customer but if the price is right............

shelanda · Post by **shelanda** » 04 Sep 2007, 19:05

robd wrote:Just a thought/question for any union reps who have dealt with Geo-route,

Not in our D.O. but apparently imminent,it seems there's no nationally agreed call-rate, so reps seem to be trying
to settle around the 80% mark.
however my point is this,if the D2D's do increase to 5 as seems likely,that's 1 per day,which to my mind will be
a 100% call rate.
surely we could use this to our advantage,after all if you can't beat the system,why not play it!

any tips on how it's affected your D.O. would be much appreciated.

Been told not to entertain geo route or pegasus until we get an agreement through HQ. The call rate could change 80% is s***e 4mph is s***e too. So best hold out for agreement!!

vigilante · Post by **vigilante** » 04 Sep 2007, 19:11

dvbuk55 wrote:
TrueBlueTerrier wrote:Yeah I though do 5 and get paid for 3 had been postponed has it reared its ugly head again.
The idea of 5 for 3 has gone away but the idea of increasing D2D hasn't - it is a fundamental plank of increasing revenue both CWU and RM are in favour - just not in favour of something for nothing

I'm sure I read somewhere that there had been a suggestion of shrink wrapping several D2Ds together and counting them as 1 item - I don't know how this would sit with the customer but if the price is right............

SORRY MATE KNOWING HOW THEY WORK THEY WILL EXCPECT YOU TO DO IT FOR THE LITTLEST THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH.
10 ITEMS SHRINKED WRAPPED----YOU GET 2.67P---PROBABLY

IT IS TOO MUCH REVENUE FOR RM TO IGNORE SO THEY WILL BEND OVER BACKWARDS TO GET US TO DO MORE FOR F**K ALL IN RETURN.
AS WITH ALL THEY DO

Post by **POSTMAN** » 04 Sep 2007, 19:17

There is NO National Agreement on Geo-route,but like that matters to RM anyway.
So technically,you should refuse to work with it,but this needs to be double checked.
The last news i got from the Union the above was right.

robd · Post by **robd** » 04 Sep 2007, 19:22

sorry to open a can of worms,i have no knowledge that the D2Ds will Definitely increase!
I am more concerned with Geo-route and was merely exploring a loop-hole,however as the matter was raised,
my own opinion is the D2Ds have merely been put on the backburner and as there's profit in it(not neccessarily for us!)
an increase to 1 a day is not beyond the bounds of possibility.
Personally i'm finding less and less time to prep them,and as the old saying goes expect the best but prepare for the
worse.
so the point i tried to make was actually based on call rates,if the boss accepts i'm taking 1 per day to every house,
surely he must agree that's 100%,but if say one week we only get 3 D2Ds guess what,the call rates suddenly in my
favour.
my understanding is many offices have gone in with very little room for error,and are going over 3 1/2 hours already,
so if the D2Ds do increase,what then.

wakkono · Post by **wakkono** » 04 Sep 2007, 19:23

were on a stage 3 battle with the geo routing in south wales i wont say which office but we have 30 ish walks and 35 ish rurals they have proposals for the walks but not the rurals so we have told them to fu ck off till we have a national agreement

last week dom had new wings fitted to all the frames ready for the geo so its obviously coming but if it comes without agreement i see a mass walk out !!!

the last we heard we was waiting for the national things to be sorted cause we were led to believe its all part of the new pay deal in discussions now so were waiting to see whats gonna happen

wakkono · Post by **wakkono** » 04 Sep 2007, 19:25

if you do your 20 % a day like your supposed to do officially , im not sure how they would make the numbers addup

our dom reckons that cause we get paid extra for them we have to prep them in our own time

IWW Fellow Worker · Post by **IWW Fellow Worker** » 04 Sep 2007, 19:26

wakkono wrote:if you do your 20 % a day like your supposed to do officially , im not sure how they would make the numbers addup

our dom reckons that cause we get paid extra for them we have to prep them in our own time

He's wrong and I'll bet he knows he is. Have a search on here. It's been discussed a couple of times.

wakkono · Post by **wakkono** » 04 Sep 2007, 19:30

we did complain to cwu but when rep picks him up on it he just says its a grey area and it needs looking into our dom is an absolute pratt he eats,sleeps and breaths royal mail 100 % what a saddo

perhaps when hes older he will realise just what pratt he has been especially when they start fu cking about with his terms and conditions

jmlr1971 · Post by **jmlr1971** » 04 Sep 2007, 19:42

is it not in the security book about treating households as you would mail ie not taking it home , leaving them in vans etc etc etc so how can you do them in your own time ???

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