Short and sweet.
Does any absence caused by being bitten by a dog on delivery count towards the stage procedure. My manager claims it does.
What a complete farce.
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Dog Attack
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Pat Ostman
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Dog Attack
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Re: Dog Attack
If a Manager is not medically trained, how can you expect them to diagnose/verify that the absence is caused by the bite and not an excuse arising from the fore-mentioned incident?
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Pat Ostman
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I think you miss the point.
They are not there to make any medical decision even if they ARE medically trained. All sickness should be counted as genuine. I disagree however that a dog bite is a sickness, it's an AOD.
It seems like you are suggesting that since they are not medically trained they must treat ALL dog bite absence as possibly fraudulent and stick it on your sickness record.
Where I am coming from, you go to work, get bit, then have to struggle in else you will be placed on the attendence procedure for something that was unavoidable whilst at work, performing your duty.
The person in this case is quite shook up, didn't do her massive damage although the wound is very visible and swollen. The problem is, if she goes absent it will trigger Stage 2 for her.
What if you get beaten up on delivery next? Stage 3?
They are not there to make any medical decision even if they ARE medically trained. All sickness should be counted as genuine. I disagree however that a dog bite is a sickness, it's an AOD.
It seems like you are suggesting that since they are not medically trained they must treat ALL dog bite absence as possibly fraudulent and stick it on your sickness record.
Where I am coming from, you go to work, get bit, then have to struggle in else you will be placed on the attendence procedure for something that was unavoidable whilst at work, performing your duty.
The person in this case is quite shook up, didn't do her massive damage although the wound is very visible and swollen. The problem is, if she goes absent it will trigger Stage 2 for her.
What if you get beaten up on delivery next? Stage 3?
Run, rabbit run. Dig that hole, forget the sun.
And when at last the work is done. Don't sit down, it's time to dig another one
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POSTMAN
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Re: Dog Attack
Your manager is an arse Pat,but i'm guessing you know that,total bullshit...unless of course you went into a garden where a dog was running lose and you were aware of the loose dog.
Where and how did the 'attack' happen?
Where and how did the 'attack' happen?
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mazza111
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Re: Dog Attack
Thought even AOD could count against you in absence thingy. I questioned my manager on that when he tried to hit me with a stage 1 after an AOD, he said it was at his discretion, even the union rep said the same. Didn't get one tho, think it's cos I was raging so much 
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POSTMAN
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Re: Dog Attack
AOD has to be properly investigated by someone who is trained,if it isn't investigated properly,how can they issue a blameworthy.
w*****s the lot of them.
w*****s the lot of them.
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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mazza111
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Re: Dog Attack
Totally agree!
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Re: Dog Attack
Nope and a Judge/Tribunal agrees with me. http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... 18&t=15594" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;mazza111 wrote:Thought even AOD could count against you in absence thingy. I questioned my manager on that when he tried to hit me with a stage 1 after an AOD, he said it was at his discretion, even the union rep said the same. Didn't get one tho, think it's cos I was raging so much
At the tribunal in Bury St Edmunds, employment judge Patrick Milmo QC found Royal Mail had been wrong to say there were "no mitigating factors" in Mr Linwood's absences and that it was "unfair" to include days off caused by accidents at work.
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Re: Dog Attack
As I said TBT, I didn't get the warning, just what office rep and manager told me, it was at their discretion. Think my words were that's F*ckin ridiculous!!! and a lot of other norty words. So didn't get the warning.
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Pat Ostman
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Re: Dog Attack
The attack happened when the owner saw the postie approach their door, the owner opened the door and the dog ran out. The dog immediately attacked the postie.
Run, rabbit run. Dig that hole, forget the sun.
And when at last the work is done. Don't sit down, it's time to dig another one
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POSTMAN
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Re: Dog Attack
Should be a no stage then,i know that,you know that...Pat Ostman wrote:The attack happened when the owner saw the postie approach their door, the owner opened the door and the dog ran out. The dog immediately attacked the postie.
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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Pat Ostman
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Re: Dog Attack
Thanks for all your help, and everyone else :)POSTMAN wrote:Should be a no stage then,i know that,you know that...Pat Ostman wrote:The attack happened when the owner saw the postie approach their door, the owner opened the door and the dog ran out. The dog immediately attacked the postie.
I thought I knew that but at the time, and with Royal Mail, anything is possible.
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Re: Dog Attack
Perhaps this will prove useful.
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