Told to leave mail

[Huxon]

We have had our revision and loads of walks are failing, by over 2 hours in some cases. So lots of cut offs every day.

Management are now saying there are to many cut offs and we are being told to take the whole round but leave mail sort and only take second class if you have more than one letter.

My question is are they allowed to do this?

[diballday]

This has been going on in our office even before the revision. We would be told by the dom that o/t would not be paid,if we felt that we could'nt complete we were to speak to him before bundling up. He would tell us to cull mailsort and/or 2nd class. I once asked him what to if these measures weren't enough, he told me to cull 1st class also!
It seemed that all he was concerned about was that we "covered the ground". In other words that we were seen to be completing our rounds,whether we were delivering anything or not appeared to be irrelevant.

[Spedley]

I'm pretty sure they can do this temporarily. Willful Delay is only willful if there is a viable option, other than that it is a mail management issue.

[POSTMAN]

Nope,they are not allowed to stream the mail.
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[wayoutman]

streaming or skimming is a big no-no.

get onto your rep, or area rep or email bob gibson.

the revision is failing for a reason and streaming is not a solution.

[pokos27]

they never delay dsa, though.

[Royal_Fail]

I'd get in touch with postcomm if i were you.

[POSTMAN]

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[SpacePhoenix]

Once any item of mail reaches the inward MC then it becomes first class, there is no such thing as second class from Inward MCs onwards

[DirtyHarry]

We have had our revision and loads of walks are failing, by over 2 hours in some cases. So lots of cut offs every day.

Management are now saying there are to many cut offs and we are being told to take the whole round but leave mail sort and only take second class if you have more than one letter.

My question is are they allowed to do this?

Sounds like a right shambles, mate. Oh, well.....never mind......Soon be autumn, then the REAL fun and games will begin.

As to your question. A better example of wilful delay would be hard to come by, and that is what your management are doing, wilfuly delaying the mail, end of.

[fishtank]

As to your question. A better example of wilful delay would be hard to come by, and that is what your management are doing, wilfuly delaying the mail, end of.

It is Harry...because there is never any attempt or intention to deliver it.
It's one thing failing part of a walk because you can't get someone to deliver it,it's a whole different game deciding what will be delivered and what won't...that's exactly why management were told,even by their own side to cut it out.

[parcelboy]

As to your question. A better example of wilful delay would be hard to come by, and that is what your management are doing, wilfuly delaying the mail, end of.

It is Harry...because there is never any attempt or intention to deliver it.
It's one thing failing part of a walk because you can't get someone to deliver it,it's a whole different game deciding what will be delivered and what won't...that's exactly why management were told,even by their own side to cut it out.

i was dismissed for wilful delay because it is when it suits .Its always wilful if you have a grievance in against a Bullying DOM .And the lengths they go to fabricate evidence is quite amazing believe me.

[daveyeff]

As to your question. A better example of wilful delay would be hard to come by, and that is what your management are doing, wilfuly delaying the mail, end of.

It is Harry...because there is never any attempt or intention to deliver it.
It's one thing failing part of a walk because you can't get someone to deliver it,it's a whole different game deciding what will be delivered and what won't...that's exactly why management were told,even by their own side to cut it out.

im off sick at the mo, but some of the lads have told me that on friday at our office, that the dom told them to cut off from boxing in their mail at 8.50am no matter how much was left, as it was IMPERITIVE that the lapsing had to be done. so this was done. in other words there was thousands of items of mail left lying all over the office just so it could be said that the lapsing had been done. i doubt very much that the doms managers have been told about this, so they will get the impression that everything is tickety boo. they would have been told that the lapsing was done, but not of the thousands of other mail in general failing. this will of course make them think the whole system is working. somethings got to be done about this. its being blocked from reaching the heirarchy, so it will continue.

[POSTMAN]

As to your question. A better example of wilful delay would be hard to come by, and that is what your management are doing, wilfuly delaying the mail, end of.

It is Harry...because there is never any attempt or intention to deliver it.
It's one thing failing part of a walk because you can't get someone to deliver it,it's a whole different game deciding what will be delivered and what won't...that's exactly why management were told,even by their own side to cut it out.

im off sick at the mo, but some of the lads have told me that on friday at our office, that the dom told them to cut off from boxing in their mail at 8.50am no matter how much was left, as it was IMPERITIVE that the lapsing had to be done. so this was done. in other words there was thousands of items of mail left lying all over the office just so it could be said that the lapsing had been done. i doubt very much that the doms managers have been told about this, so they will get the impression that everything is tickety boo. they would have been told that the lapsing was done, but not of the thousands of other mail in general failing. this will of course make them think the whole system is working. somethings got to be done about this. its being blocked from reaching the heirarchy, so it will continue.

Your rep or one of you has to flag it to your area rep,and has to be flagged everytime it gets done.
Mail is being wilfully delayed by management in the interest of saving hrs(the lapsing).

To be fair,if you guys had balls you could of had a sit in because of it.

[daveyeff]

As to your question. A better example of wilful delay would be hard to come by, and that is what your management are doing, wilfuly delaying the mail, end of.

It is Harry...because there is never any attempt or intention to deliver it.
It's one thing failing part of a walk because you can't get someone to deliver it,it's a whole different game deciding what will be delivered and what won't...that's exactly why management were told,even by their own side to cut it out.

im off sick at the mo, but some of the lads have told me that on friday at our office, that the dom told them to cut off from boxing in their mail at 8.50am no matter how much was left, as it was IMPERITIVE that the lapsing had to be done. so this was done. in other words there was thousands of items of mail left lying all over the office just so it could be said that the lapsing had been done. i doubt very much that the doms managers have been told about this, so they will get the impression that everything is tickety boo. they would have been told that the lapsing was done, but not of the thousands of other mail in general failing. this will of course make them think the whole system is working. somethings got to be done about this. its being blocked from reaching the heirarchy, so it will continue.

Your rep or one of you has to flag it to your area rep,and has to be flagged everytime it gets done.
Mail is being wilfully delayed by management in the interest of saving hrs(the lapsing).

To be fair,if you guys had balls you could of had a sit in because of it.

apparent the area rep HAS been told, and he, 'looking' at it. he said he,s goin to inform ***** ****** who is our doms gaffer, but to be honest, i think that is like pissing in the wind, because the dom is his gaffers blue eyed boy. the dsm thinks he,s the best manager he,s had in a long time and can sort out any problematic offices(hatchet man). thing is though HE,S NOT. he,s falsifying figures each week. lying bout failures, d2d returns etc, and this latest fiasco proves he thinks he,s untouchable.