Advice on not doing overtime

[POSTWOMAN]

i am planning not to do any overtime, so what are the consequences & options ?

yes, am talking about returning post back to D.O cuz my time's up.( though i will inform it to the DM (that i will return post) before i start my walk )

How do i convey it to the DM ? am talking about answer to the threats DM will give u & what ur answers should be supported by facts . #lets say DM will say nooooo you have to do it ?? etc etc

[fishtank]

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[belle smith]

tell them in advance and try to get them to make the decision on what to take and what to leave.

try saying i don't want to work overtime and i don't believe i will be able to complete on time.
and then stick to asking these 3 questions.

1 What do YOU want me to take?
2 What do YOU want me to leave?
3 What do YOU want me to do with anything i have left undeliverd at the end of my shift?

Repeat as often as necassery and try not to deviate.

No doubt they will mention performance. irrespective of their perception of your performance, you still don't want to work O/T. back to question 1,2 &3.
always worth getting a sheet of paper and wrighting down what they say in front of them.

good luck.

Print your self off a copy of this leaflet as well, it's Royal Mails leaflet, and contray to what managers like to tell staff it tells you what to do if you are unable to complete whilst on delivery.
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completing your delivery
If you cannot complete your walk while on delivery, contact your manager to make arrangements for your undeliverd mail.

Your walk log you should have one, it should be on your frame, also tells you that

if you return mail to the office you must inform your manager, failure to do so is classed as willful delay.

Please note it says if you do, not, no you can't!

[POSTWOMAN]

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thankx

[POSTWOMAN]

tell them in advance and try to get them to make the decision on what to take and what to leave.

try saying i don't want to work overtime and i don't believe i will be able to complete on time.
and then stick to asking these 3 questions.

1 What do YOU want me to take?
2 What do YOU want me to leave?
3 What do YOU want me to do with anything i have left undeliverd at the end of my shift?

Repeat as often as necassery and try not to deviate.

No doubt they will mention performance. irrespective of their perception of your performance, you still don't want to work O/T. back to question 1,2 &3.
always worth getting a sheet of paper and wrighting down what they say in front of them.

good luck.


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thankx

[calpsy]

Doesnt help if the managers are away by 12.30 and theres no-one else in the office .

[arnold cheshire]

Doesnt help if the managers are away by 12.30 and theres no-one else in the office .

go in at 915 am and so you wont complete simple ! when dim says why not say youve got to much mail ! when dim says what will you bring back say ill do my best till my times up . Dont be afraid of your dim YOU DONT HAVE TO WORK OVERTIME

[calpsy]

I used to enjoy doing overtime and backshifts etc but started to enjoy finishing at 12.30 and the rest of the day was mine so stopped doing anything other than my 25 hours .

As said before you do NOT have to do overtime and they cant make you . If you know for a fact your not gonna finish on time then let them know and ask what you should leave . Your not being difficult , all your doing is your job within your contracted hours .

[R5Rich]

Can I ask, how long have you been at Royal Mail for? I joined around 2 months ago and am not to keen on doing the overtime but in the contract I had to sign it says about doing a 'reasonable amount of overtime that ensures customers get the service they expect'.

This basically means you have to do it until round is done doesn't it? It is part of the job and is expected of you?

[TrueBlueTerrier]

What is a reasonable amount of overtime though. In the end only you can judge.

Is it 15 minutes at the end of a delivery.

Is it 1 hour because of a 100% call rate

Is it 2 hours because the boss can't get anyone else to do another 1/2 of a walk because of absence.

Is it 2 hours per week

Is it 10 hours per week

Is it an extra 40 hours per week.

What is reasonable.......................................................

[R5Rich]

Exactly that is the problem. 15 mins I don't mind so much but last week it was 2 hours, 30 mins, 30 mins, 45, 30. I would say adding all that up is not reasonable.

Sorry to hijack your thread but this is quite valuable information for us newbies so would be good to hear peoples views on this. It is very daunting telling your line manager you don't think you can finish on time as they look at you like "why not, get on with it".

[fishtank]

What it says in your contract is not an obligation to work overtime,it is a statement that the job may involve overtime.
There is no compulsory/contractual overtime in Royal Mail Letters....the end,fin...

[dvbuk55]

There's the rub really. New entrants are always taken on as part timers, they are expected to work as many hours as necessary up to 40, after which OT rates kick in. I believe that at interview level they are asked if they are prepared to work overtime without any stipulation as to exactly how much that is. Once in the door, and lets not forget these are mostly temporary contracts, RM feel as though they have the upper hand and indeed they do. What exactly is being done to address this issue? What is the current figure on FT/PT ratio nationally, do we know? It opens the door to bullying people into working overtime they do not want to do.

More grist for the consultation exercise.

[IloveMYredTROLLEY!]

Posts such as http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... =1&t=37398" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; from another newcomer to the job really sickens me. How can this lino get away with spouting such lies and intimidating this poor newcomer into thinking they should be doing free overtime while learning the job?

The first thing that comes to mind to resolve this situation is for the union to insist on having the depot rep involved in the induction process, meeting the newcomer on their first day (making sure the postie knows their rights), helping to ensure managers are not pulling wool over the eyes of new posties. It goes without saying that such a system depends upon the depot reps being strong to defend the postie, while being fully up-to-date on rules and regulations