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Pressure building up ??

Post by Carnoustie »

Obviously none of us know what sort of deal it will be that we have to vote Yes or No to, assuming of course the national talks produce anything at all. But I work in a Regional Distribution Centre (for those that remember the rolling strikes, we come under 'Network'), and today we were packed-out with work and had loads of agency in to help clear it. This mail goes from us to the Mail Centres, and hits delivery offices the day after.

My point is that if this is a sign that 'autumn pressure' has started, it should put us in a stronger position if we have to strike again. Two weeks of rolling strikes at a traditionally quiet time of year created a big backlog, so more strikes of a similar style would cripple Royal Mail, surely ? My fear is that we'll be asked to vote on a deal that's unacceptable, and then by the time the resounding No vote is counted, the mandate for industrial action will be deemed expired, and we'll be in late September. Then another vote for I/A will need to be carried out, so that'll be three weeks to send out ballot papers, return them, count them and declare the result, then a further delay of a week whilst the CWU give the minimum 7 days notice to RM of new strike dates. We may not get the 77% we achieved last time if people start thinking they'll not be striking again until late October / early November.

SO HERE'S MY MESSAGE TO DAVE WARD & BILLY HAYES: whatever deal is struck, don't let the mandate for I/A expire. To keep it 'live', give Royal Mail the required statutory notice of further strike dates on the morning of 5th September, the day after the talks finish. Set the new strike dates to commence on the day after the outcome of the vote on the pay deal is known. That way, if the pay deal you've thrashed out gets the seal of approval from us, those strikes aren't necessary, and can be called-off. But if the membership says b*llocks to a crap offer, we can be back on strike the day after rejecting the deal, and give them a huge problem much much sooner. Sound like a plan, boys ?? :dance
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Brilliant Plan - why aren't you a member of the PEC mate you think further ahead than they seem to.
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Post by cruisey »

Great post Carnoustie. To keep the action live, the union CAN do something simple like call all area reps out on a 15 minute IA. Sounds stupid but it stops a re-ballot.
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madelin4 wrote::Applause :Applause
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Post by lovejoy »

Who says the ballot is in danger of timing out???

All we have to do is take action within a reasonable timeframe!! Courts have previously ruled this as 2-3 months. The only time limit is we have to take action within 28 days of ballot result which we obviously did!!

Locally RM may be doing all these things but reading between the lines they are getting ready if talks go wrong. Although it pisses us all off i'm sure we can understand it!

Of course if the talks come to nothing then we will all question the judgement of Ward/Hayes etc but I think an agreement (very painful) is near! 2 Year pay deal based on efficiency savings is my bet! Personally i don't want that but people are suckers for a financial carrot
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Post by Carnoustie »

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:Brilliant Plan - why aren't you a member of the PEC mate you think further ahead than they seem to.
Thanks.

I must admit I used to be one who never really understood what being a member of a union was really about, but Leighton's patronising video did more to make me 'militant' than any amount of persuasion from my local rep. I'm so well known for my pro-strike stance now, that people have asked me to stand as a rep !!!
I promise you this, if I ever held any position of influence in the union, then strategy, tactics and a knack of constantly putting the enemy on the back-foot would be my aim. I blame years of playing chess as a youngster for any talent I may have for second-guessing the opponent's moves and hitting them with what they least expect
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Carnoustie wrote:
TrueBlueTerrier wrote:Brilliant Plan - why aren't you a member of the PEC mate you think further ahead than they seem to.
Thanks.

I must admit I used to be one who never really understood what being a member of a union was really about, but Leighton's patronising video did more to make me 'militant' than any amount of persuasion from my local rep. I'm so well known for my pro-strike stance now, that people have asked me to stand as a rep !!!
I promise you this, if I ever held any position of influence in the union, then strategy, tactics and a knack of constantly putting the enemy on the back-foot would be my aim. I blame years of playing chess as a youngster for any talent I may have for second-guessing the opponent's moves and hitting them with what they least expect
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IWW Fellow Worker wrote:
Carnoustie wrote:
TrueBlueTerrier wrote:Brilliant Plan - why aren't you a member of the PEC mate you think further ahead than they seem to.
Thanks.

I must admit I used to be one who never really understood what being a member of a union was really about, but Leighton's patronising video did more to make me 'militant' than any amount of persuasion from my local rep. I'm so well known for my pro-strike stance now, that people have asked me to stand as a rep !!!
I promise you this, if I ever held any position of influence in the union, then strategy, tactics and a knack of constantly putting the enemy on the back-foot would be my aim. I blame years of playing chess as a youngster for any talent I may have for second-guessing the opponent's moves and hitting them with what they least expect
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Read 'The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists' by Robert Tressell. That will inspire you to be a total pain in the arse for the rest of your life.
Ordered and received my copy today give me a few weeks and I will try and give a critique of it. But it does look good just the little bits I've read already.

If they do adopt your plan we will have to call it the "Carnoustie Gambit" Image
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Post by BELIAL »

Course we could always do what a Liverpool POA rep told judge Ramsay to do with his injuction on R4 news @5pm.

"He can stick his injunction up his arse"

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BELIAL wrote:Course we could always do what a Liverpool POA rep told judge Ramsay to do with his injuction on R4 news @5pm.

"He can stick his injunction up his arse"

:Very Happy :shock: :Very Happy
That would be an incentive to a judge though.
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BELIAL wrote:Course we could always do what a Liverpool POA rep told judge Ramsay to do with his injuction on R4 news @5pm.

"He can stick his injunction up his arse"

:Very Happy :shock: :Very Happy
Just thinking about it, he didn't sound like a Liverpool lad. We sound like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k2ybVk_ ... ed&search=

So if the fire brigade decide to walk out, this is what their reps sound like! :wink:
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Bugger, i knew there was a flaw. Does remind me of some scandalous hearsay re. two high court judges[brothers],a transvestite rent boy, and apair of tight green nylon shorts. Must change my social circle. :Very Happy :funneh
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Post by rathbonepostie »

Agree very much with Carnoustie. I don't think there's a chance in hell of the talks producing a good deal. The pressure is off management (why we took it off I'll never understand), and they are hoping that we'll be reluctant to go out again. No doubt they've also been refining their plans in case we do.
I think the most the talks will produce is a few minor concessions. Whether the PEC then tries to sell it to us or not is the big question. Hayes and Ward have seemed reluctant to have the dispute from the start, and don't forget it was Dave Ward who first started the "if they talk, we'll have a period of calm" rubbish.
I hope they don't push a rotten deal, but if they try we'll need to organise for a no vote. If they don't and resume the strikes great, but then we need to be a lot clearer about what the aims of the action are.
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Re: ??

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lovejoy wrote:Who says the ballot is in danger of timing out???

All we have to do is take action within a reasonable timeframe!! Courts have previously ruled this as 2-3 months. The only time limit is we have to take action within 28 days of ballot result which we obviously did!!
Lovejoy, my understanding of the situation is that once action has started, if more than 28 days elapse (because negotiations are underway, for example) with no I/A, a further ballot is required. I'm sure that was the reason behind giving 4th September as the target date to conclude negotiations. Why else would our side want to pick a Tuesday as a date by which agreement must be reached ? Normally with this kind of process, wouldn't both sides pick the end of a particular week as a target date to try to reach an agreement by, unless there was of course some tactical advantage to be gained from a mid-week date ? Don't forget, RM weren't even going to talk to us. Then the rolling strikes hit them hard and they sought talks with the CWU. Put it this way, if I was on the CWU negotiating team, I'd be telling RM the date by which the talks should be concluded !

Anyhow, I might be wrong, but there was a hell of a lot of work at my office again today. We had over 700 cages of inward work when I went in this morning, and none of the outward work got touched. It looks like deliveries may be getting some heavy days in terms of volumes of mail, at least in our catchment area. I don't know if the same thing is happening nationally, but big volumes of mail will be helpful if we do have to re-start the rolling strikes again. If you're on deliveries in any of the postcode areas listed below, watch out, because we haven't had the levels of mail seen today in months, and it's heading your way:

AL EN WD SG HP RM IG CM SS CO DA CT ME TN
+ London postcodes E and N