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DOOR-TO-DOORS: ROYAL MAIL IN BREACH OF AGREEMENT
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cyclesareus
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DOOR-TO-DOORS: ROYAL MAIL IN BREACH OF AGREEMENT
DOOR- TO- DOORS: ROYAL MAIL IN BREACH OF AGREEMENT
In worktime learning today I asked my DOM why nothing had been done about the bringing of door-to-doors (D2D) into workoad. In my office there have been no changes to our walks and no allowance made for the time taken to throw off and deliver the D2D items.
His answer was that “It was nothing to do with him” and that “it was up to the project team”. When I asked him what he had discussed with this team regarding the lack of any walk revision over the last year, his answer was that he “had never spoken to them (it)”. This struck me as very strange.
Later in the day, when a colleague asked the DOM who was on this team, he gave no answer. I could not help but think that this elusive team does not, in fact, exist and that is why nothing has been done by way of compliance with the 2010 Agreement:
D2D traffic will be placed into measured workload both indoor and outdoor. This move into workload will require delivery duties to be adjusted and allowances to be made in order to provide sufficient time to ‘prep’ the items and deliver them. The appropriate delivery planning and measurement systems and revision tools (IWT, Pegasus Georoute etc) will need to be adjusted accordingly to bring this about. D2D will now need to be accounted for in the agreed Delivery Revision Process.
What has happened in our office? Nothing, and I expect you will all be saying the same thing to a man.
Another chestnut from the agreement of over a year ago:
To ensure ongoing and full involvement in the process, the local Manager and CWU representative will meet weekly as part of the planning, implementation and review process. Each meeting will be diarised at the start of the revisions process. Information and updates will be shared with the CWU Representative and Manager in advance of the meeting. Outputs, actions and relevant information will be shared with the colleagues in the delivery unit and displayed on a weekly basis.
Our CWU rep tells me that there has never been any involvement with management in these meeting because there have been no such meetings – and I suspect that is the case for all of you as well!
So, did Royal Mail plan it this way? Was the CWU in complicity with Royal Mail over this stance of non-activity and non-compliance with the agreement? Perhaps they both thought that, following the usual period of grumbling, we, the footsoldiers, would just get on with it, come in even earlier, work harder still and give up even more of our break time in order to get the work done.
I would be very interested to see what other folks think.
In worktime learning today I asked my DOM why nothing had been done about the bringing of door-to-doors (D2D) into workoad. In my office there have been no changes to our walks and no allowance made for the time taken to throw off and deliver the D2D items.
His answer was that “It was nothing to do with him” and that “it was up to the project team”. When I asked him what he had discussed with this team regarding the lack of any walk revision over the last year, his answer was that he “had never spoken to them (it)”. This struck me as very strange.
Later in the day, when a colleague asked the DOM who was on this team, he gave no answer. I could not help but think that this elusive team does not, in fact, exist and that is why nothing has been done by way of compliance with the 2010 Agreement:
D2D traffic will be placed into measured workload both indoor and outdoor. This move into workload will require delivery duties to be adjusted and allowances to be made in order to provide sufficient time to ‘prep’ the items and deliver them. The appropriate delivery planning and measurement systems and revision tools (IWT, Pegasus Georoute etc) will need to be adjusted accordingly to bring this about. D2D will now need to be accounted for in the agreed Delivery Revision Process.
What has happened in our office? Nothing, and I expect you will all be saying the same thing to a man.
Another chestnut from the agreement of over a year ago:
To ensure ongoing and full involvement in the process, the local Manager and CWU representative will meet weekly as part of the planning, implementation and review process. Each meeting will be diarised at the start of the revisions process. Information and updates will be shared with the CWU Representative and Manager in advance of the meeting. Outputs, actions and relevant information will be shared with the colleagues in the delivery unit and displayed on a weekly basis.
Our CWU rep tells me that there has never been any involvement with management in these meeting because there have been no such meetings – and I suspect that is the case for all of you as well!
So, did Royal Mail plan it this way? Was the CWU in complicity with Royal Mail over this stance of non-activity and non-compliance with the agreement? Perhaps they both thought that, following the usual period of grumbling, we, the footsoldiers, would just get on with it, come in even earlier, work harder still and give up even more of our break time in order to get the work done.
I would be very interested to see what other folks think.
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Straight4ward
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Re: DOOR-TO-DOORS: ROYAL MAIL IN BREACH OF AGREEMENT
Welcome to the world of - - - -
"Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway."
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Broxi51
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Re: DOOR-TO-DOORS: ROYAL MAIL IN BREACH OF AGREEMENT
Having just popped over from another thread in which we all get to wear a cynical bastard badge and wear it with pride
then really the advice you will get in this thread will occur pretty much as this.
Individual posties: "If you've got time to do it then do it,If not then cut off!!!!!"
CWU: "Every Union rep should be sitting down with the manager and discussing next weeks problems on a weekly basis.
If you have had a revision then the planners should have been advised by staff & the rep that extra time should be taken into account"
Royal Mail: "The mail volumes have dropped by 2000%. You have plenty time to make them up plus lapse, you lazy sh*te"
then really the advice you will get in this thread will occur pretty much as this.
Individual posties: "If you've got time to do it then do it,If not then cut off!!!!!"
CWU: "Every Union rep should be sitting down with the manager and discussing next weeks problems on a weekly basis.
If you have had a revision then the planners should have been advised by staff & the rep that extra time should be taken into account"
Royal Mail: "The mail volumes have dropped by 2000%. You have plenty time to make them up plus lapse, you lazy sh*te"
The time has come to stop turning the other cheek, time to stop shaking our heads in bitter dismay, time to stop mumbling our angry words.
The time has come for union.
The time has come for union.
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dvbuk55
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Re: DOOR-TO-DOORS: ROYAL MAIL IN BREACH OF AGREEMENT
Are you a manager broxiBroxi51 wrote:Having just popped over from another thread in which we all get to wear a cynical bastard badge and wear it with pride![]()
then really the advice you will get in this thread will occur pretty much as this.
Individual posties: "If you've got time to do it then do it,If not then cut off!!!!!"![]()
CWU: "Every Union rep should be sitting down with the manager and discussing next weeks problems on a weekly basis.
If you have had a revision then the planners should have been advised by staff & the rep that extra time should be taken into account"
Royal Mail: "The mail volumes have dropped by 2000%. You have plenty time to make them up plus lapse, you lazy sh*te"
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Broxi51
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Re: DOOR-TO-DOORS: ROYAL MAIL IN BREACH OF AGREEMENT
No......Just a cynical bastarddvbuk55 wrote:Are you a manager broxiBroxi51 wrote:Having just popped over from another thread in which we all get to wear a cynical bastard badge and wear it with pride![]()
then really the advice you will get in this thread will occur pretty much as this.
Individual posties: "If you've got time to do it then do it,If not then cut off!!!!!"![]()
CWU: "Every Union rep should be sitting down with the manager and discussing next weeks problems on a weekly basis.
If you have had a revision then the planners should have been advised by staff & the rep that extra time should be taken into account"
Royal Mail: "The mail volumes have dropped by 2000%. You have plenty time to make them up plus lapse, you lazy sh*te"![]()
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The time has come to stop turning the other cheek, time to stop shaking our heads in bitter dismay, time to stop mumbling our angry words.
The time has come for union.
The time has come for union.
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maisymoo04
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Re: DOOR-TO-DOORS: ROYAL MAIL IN BREACH OF AGREEMENT
manager fu@@@ hell hasnt a clue loads of help makes me so mad stupid pr@@ 
"Some day I will have the bottle to take the money"
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Hitcher
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Re: DOOR-TO-DOORS: ROYAL MAIL IN BREACH OF AGREEMENT
We 'absorbed' them into our duties because of the falling volumes.
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DGP1
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Re: DOOR-TO-DOORS: ROYAL MAIL IN BREACH OF AGREEMENT
I did them in work time before the new agreement so it not been a problem to me, just do them and cut off/claim OT as necessary.
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dvbuk55
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Re: DOOR-TO-DOORS: ROYAL MAIL IN BREACH OF AGREEMENT
And you are spot on DG! You would be amazed at how many times I see people coming in early and they say they have to do that becaue they wouldn't be able to finish their deliveryDGP1 wrote:I did them in work time before the new agreement so it not been a problem to me, just do them and cut off/claim OT as necessary.
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chunk
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Re: DOOR-TO-DOORS: ROYAL MAIL IN BREACH OF AGREEMENT
i think you forgot to ad a smilie i suggest...Hitcher wrote:We 'absorbed' them into our duties because of the falling volumes.
because of the falling volumes![]()
I'm a postman-and i know where you live.....
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Hitcher
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Re: DOOR-TO-DOORS: ROYAL MAIL IN BREACH OF AGREEMENT
That's the official line in our office and as a result people do them in their own time still.
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tiggle
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Re: DOOR-TO-DOORS: ROYAL MAIL IN BREACH OF AGREEMENT
loads of staff in my office bundle all their households up for the following week after they've finished their delivery on saturday, and no doubt pass the time by moaning about the later finish time and aint the union crap etcdvbuk55 wrote:And you are spot on DG! You would be amazed at how many times I see people coming in early and they say they have to do that becaue they wouldn't be able to finish their deliveryDGP1 wrote:I did them in work time before the new agreement so it not been a problem to me, just do them and cut off/claim OT as necessary..................it isn't all the fault of the union and RM, individuals too have their part to play. It wouldn't do any harm for another round of do the job properly.......................
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ziko
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Re: DOOR-TO-DOORS: ROYAL MAIL IN BREACH OF AGREEMENT
I thought we were just supposed to do the 4 extra D2D's by coming in to work early (unpaid of course)
What, our cwu rep and manager are supposed to talk to each other?
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And as all us 'good old posties' are commited to this agreement we will recieve our colleague shares..............
What, our cwu rep and manager are supposed to talk to each other?
And as all us 'good old posties' are commited to this agreement we will recieve our colleague shares..............
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spoodoo
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Re: DOOR-TO-DOORS: ROYAL MAIL IN BREACH OF AGREEMENT
half of our office take there d to ds home to sort ,which is a sackable offence , but the bosses let them get on with that,,as it suits them ! sad state of affairs
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Jimmcguinn
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Re: DOOR-TO-DOORS: ROYAL MAIL IN BREACH OF AGREEMENT
What exactly are you complaining about?
That the 5 lots of D2Ds haven't been factored into the workload? Haven't you heard ? There's no mail,plenty of time to prep your D2Ds now.
That the 5 lots of D2Ds haven't been factored into the workload? Haven't you heard ? There's no mail,plenty of time to prep your D2Ds now.