Stage 2 warning

[kevo35]

I was off work from Nov 10 until march 11 with knee problems, bearing in mind still waiting for surgery at this point and was told i wouldbe given a stage 1 warning , (fair enough) however after returning to work after speaking to Atos Healthcare, who set me a rehab plan of 4 hrs a day, i was bieng abused by manager she had me runnig around like a loon causing my knee to swell like a ballon. So further referal to Atos who advised me to go back on sick and also rollocking from GP went back on sick. However manager is now wanting to give me a stage 2 warning even though was advised by GP and Atos not to be there. Is there any way i can stop this.
Thanks Kevin

[POSTMAN]

What was the actual rehab plan and what did you actually do?

[kevo35]

Was meant to be 4 hrs a day of light indoor duties only and no lifting, bending or carrying. However what i was infact doing was bieng a full PHG without the training, was made to walk from ips frame to callers office etc and made to do some lifting.

[POSTMAN]

Tough one,it's something your rep if you're in the union will have to argue about.
You were made worse by being over worked.

Good luck but it will be tough,you know what the screws are like.

[fishtank]

However manager is now wanting to give me a stage 2 warning even though was advised by GP and Atos not to be there. Is there any way i can stop this.

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[POSTMAN]

However manager is now wanting to give me a stage 2 warning even though was advised by GP and Atos not to be there. Is there any way i can stop this.

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2 things,it says 'should' and is the wordings in any RM/Intranet doc.
My screw would throw this out as CWU bollox.

[fishtank]

2 things,it says 'should' and is the wordings in any RM/Intranet doc.
My screw would throw this out as CWU bollox.

No...it's based on common sense.If we ignore the fact that they were not following the plan in the first place.

If the only way that a member can return to work is through a rehab plan and that rehab plan turns out to be too demanding then you are in fact dealing with a continuation of the original condition,not a new condition so the application of two separate stages would be inappropriate.

It comes from this part of the attendance procedure relating to long term sick absence...

Where his/her absence record is such that Personnel and the line manager consider it in the Business interests for that absence to be considered together with other absences as part of the review of his/her whole attendance at the appropriate stage of the Attendance Procedure, then it will be progressed under that procedure.

Before you start i know what Business interests mean but if a rep can't argue this black and white case there ain't much hope for him/her.

[yodsaenklaikoba]

What happens when you get placed on stage 1 and stage 2 warning do you go for a short little interview or something?

[fishtank]

What happens when you get placed on stage 1 and stage 2 warning do you go for a short little interview or something?

Still doing the research?

[clashcityrocker]

What happens when you get placed on stage 1 and stage 2 warning do you go for a short little interview or something?

Yes.
Your manager has a printout of all your absences and the reasons for them.
Mostly they are wrong. The dates are wrong and the reasons are wrong.
Your rep reminds him that the Attendance Procedure is there to encourage good attendance, is not a substitute for the conduct code and the issuing of any stage warnings should not be mechanistic.
The manager ignores him and issues the stage anyway even when the absences relate to Accidents on Duty (AOD) or illnesses covered by the DDA.

[Geezer]

What Happend about this............
Was anything ever agreed or was it more Pie In The Sky.


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Letter to Branches

No. 1075/2010 Ref: PTC/MA/jc/415 Date: 6 December 2010


TO ALL POSTAL BRANCHES


Dear Colleague

RE: ATTENDANCE PROCEDURE AND NEGOTIATIONS.

Branches will be aware that one objective of the Business Transformation Agreement was for both Royal Mail and CWU to review HR procedures.
Discussions have commenced on the Attendance Procedure and set out below is a joint statement which will also be communicated to all Royal Mail managers informing all employees of how discussions have progressed.

Discussions and negotiations are ongoing and we intend to update branches at every available opportunity.

Any enquiries should be addressed to Ray Ellis’s department, quoting reference PTC/MA/jc/415.
Email address: rellis@cwu.org

Yours sincerely



Ray Ellis,
Assistant Secretary


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Draft Joint Comms for Attendance Procedure


A key objective of the Business Transformation Agreement is to improve employee relations. Royal Mail and CWU are working together to review HR procedures, starting with the Attendance Procedure.

Discussions have been positive and constructive, detailed work is now commencing to produce an agreement which:

• Treats all employees with dignity and respect
• Moves away from an approach seen as adversarial with an emphasis on warnings to one which is intended to be genuinely supportive
• Emphasises early supportive action to help avoid absence becoming long term

Royal Mail and CWU believe that establishing a sensible and people focused approach to sick absence is a key part of improving working relations and we are all determined to bring discussions to a conclusion as quickly as possible.
Meetings will be taking place over the coming weeks to achieve this. We will communicate progress at the appropriate time as discussions progress

[clashcityrocker]

What Happend about this............
Was anything ever agreed or was it more Pie In The Sky.

The doves like it but the hawks have vetoed it.

[Geezer]

What Happend about this............
Was anything ever agreed or was it more Pie In The Sky.

The doves like it but the hawks have vetoed it.

[kevo35]

I was off work from Nov 10 until march 11 with knee problems, bearing in mind still waiting for surgery at this point and was told i wouldbe given a stage 1 warning , (fair enough) however after returning to work after speaking to Atos Healthcare, who set me a rehab plan of 4 hrs a day, i was bieng abused by manager she had me runnig around like a loon causing my knee to swell like a ballon. So further referal to Atos who advised me to go back on sick and also rollocking from GP went back on sick. However manager is now wanting to give me a stage 2 warning even though was advised by GP and Atos not to be there. Is there any way i can stop this.
Thanks Kevin

Got out of a second stage warning and have had a re-issue of a first stage instead. Good news because after my surgery i wont be in the firing line so to speak. Any way thanks for the advice guys it was invaluable.