Posties using there own cars

John_B · Post by **John_B** » 21 Jan 2011, 18:02

In our office (SPDO) several posties use there car. Some because they are lazy, but several because they have no choice.
For some, it is a 7 mile trip back to the village where they were once based but relocated into our office. It turns out they are entitled to petrol money and are now receiving this, it was only back dated a few months rather than a couple of years worth !!

Now to my question.
Our pain of a supervisor has told these few posties, because they now get petrol money, they have to take out ALL parcels, including over sized and tracked. The tracked are pre scanned in the office as delivered and then sent out with the postie using his car.

Now I was once told several years ago by a manager, that using a car was just the same as using a trolley, so the over sized would still go out in a van.

Can someone confirm which is correct.

Do the posties using cars and receiving petrol money have to take out the over sized ?

fishtank · Post by **fishtank** » 21 Jan 2011, 18:10

The travelling allowance they receive is for travel to and from work NOT to use their car on delivery.
No-one in Royal Mail is forced to use their own car on delivery.
The Royal Mail insurance bond does not cover the delivery of parcels using your car.
If you do not have specific insurance to cover this you are breaking the law.
Your manager is an arse!
...and pre-scanning tracked items as delivered is something a rep should put a stop to...it's a QofS failure.
And your manager is an arse!...i know i already said that but it's worth saying twice.

Post by **POSTMAN** » 21 Jan 2011, 18:19

Fish you are too kind,the manager is a c***!

John_B · Post by **John_B** » 21 Jan 2011, 18:20

fishtank wrote:The travelling allowance they receive is for travel to and from work NOT to use their car on delivery.
No-one in Royal Mail is forced to use their own car on delivery.
The Royal Mail insurance bond does not cover the delivery of parcels using your car.
If you do not have specific insurance to cover this you are breaking the law.
Your manager is an arse!
...and pre-scanning tracked items as delivered is something a rep should put a stop to...it's a QofS failure.
And your manager is an arse!...i know i already said that but it's worth saying twice.

They not being forced to use there car to deliver the mail.
Royal Mail pay the petrol allowance for them to travel to and from there delivery point, from there on, they are supposed to walk, but they by there own choice use the car for delivery, but this is not in question.

What is in question is, now because they receive the petrol allowance, they are being expected to take out over sized and all tracked items. Where as before they received the allowance the over sized and tracked went out in the van.

Post by **POSTMAN** » 21 Jan 2011, 18:22

John_B wrote:
fishtank wrote:The travelling allowance they receive is for travel to and from work NOT to use their car on delivery.
No-one in Royal Mail is forced to use their own car on delivery.
The Royal Mail insurance bond does not cover the delivery of parcels using your car.
If you do not have specific insurance to cover this you are breaking the law.
Your manager is an arse!
...and pre-scanning tracked items as delivered is something a rep should put a stop to...it's a QofS failure.
And your manager is an arse!...i know i already said that but it's worth saying twice.
They not being forced to use there car to deliver the mail.
Royal Mail pay the petrol allowance for them to travel to and from there delivery point, from there on, they are supposed to walk, but they by there own choice use the car for delivery, but this is not in question.

What is in question is, now because they receive the petrol allowance, they are being expected to take out over sized and all tracked items. Where as before they received the allowance the over sized and tracked went out in the van.

The travelling allowance they receive is for travel to and from work NOT to use their car on delivery.

jlu · Post by **jlu** » 21 Jan 2011, 18:30

at petrol £1.30 a litre they must be mad . why can/t they see it no cars &put more money in there pocket. make rroyal mail pay.

baleout · Post by **baleout** » 21 Jan 2011, 18:37

Really can't be bothered to read all the threads on here because I cannot see any situation where Posties can justify using the own vehicle.

MUGS

Correct me if you can !

John_B · Post by **John_B** » 21 Jan 2011, 18:45

baleout wrote:Really can't be bothered to read all the threads on here because I cannot see any situation where Posties can justify using the own vehicle.

MUGS

Correct me if you can !

7 miles there and 7 miles back is a long walk, has that corrected you ?

What RM should be doing or should have done is supply another van, but I think they have more chance at winning the loto.

Post by **Wessex** » 21 Jan 2011, 18:45

John B , you mention the word supervisor in your posts.What official status does this person actually have ?

Post by **POSTMAN** » 21 Jan 2011, 18:46

What RM should be doing or should have done is supply another van, but I think they have more chance at winning the loto.

If they didn't use their cars of course you would of had to of had another van.
It aint hard is it?

John_B · Post by **John_B** » 21 Jan 2011, 18:52

Wessex wrote:John B , you mention the word supervisor in your posts.What official status does this person actually have ?

Apart from normal supervisor duties, he has non.

The things this man THINKS he can do is unreal, it would seriously boil your blood if you knew half the things he thinks he can do and get away with.
He once tried and succeeded in stopping several posties over time claims. I only found out several weeks after this happened.
He had no real reason for not submitting the over time, other than it looked bad for the office.

fishtank · Post by **fishtank** » 21 Jan 2011, 18:52

John_B wrote: Royal Mail pay the petrol allowance for them to travel to and from there delivery point, from there on, they are supposed to walk, but they by there own choice use the car for delivery, but this is not in question.

Royal Mail do not pay petrol allowance to travel to and from your delivery point...that would be seen as encouraging the use of PCOD and they don't...they allow it.

RM Private Cars on Delivery Procedure
Q29. Does Royal Mail encourage employees to use their private cars?
A. No. We will not stop you as long as the journey is legally insured and that you have met all the other criteria. If you do not want to, that is fine by us. Official acceleration, either by bus, bike or crew bus, will be provided as appropriate and as planned for your delivery.

What is in question is, now because they receive the petrol allowance, they are being expected to take out over sized and all tracked items. Where as before they received the allowance the over sized and tracked went out in the van.

RM Private Cars on Delivery Procedure
Q23. Could I be required or instructed to take second pouches for another delivery officer, if I go past the pouch box?
A. No. Neither of the insurance polices would cover this and you would therefore be driving your car without insurance. It requires a higher class of business cover to be authorized to perform “drops” of goods. All pouches will be delivered to pouch boxes by official acceleration

Post by **Wessex** » 21 Jan 2011, 18:58

John_B wrote:
Wessex wrote:John B , you mention the word supervisor in your posts.What official status does this person actually have ?
Apart from normal supervisor duties, he has non.

The things this man THINKS he can do is unreal, it would seriously boil your blood if you knew half the things he thinks he can do and get away with.
He once tried and succeeded in stopping several posties over time claims. I only found out several weeks after this happened.
He had no real reason for not submitting the over time, other than it looked bad for the office.

John, you have my sympathies.I worked in rural SPDO 's for around 10 years so I know where you are coming from.It's a totally different rulebook.My advice would to tread carefully as rural managers tend to have their proxies in each office and they can make your life difficult as I have found out on more than one occasion.

John_B · Post by **John_B** » 21 Jan 2011, 19:07

fishtank wrote:
RM Private Cars on Delivery Procedure
Q23. Could I be required or instructed to take second pouches for another delivery officer, if I go past the pouch box?
A. No. Neither of the insurance polices would cover this and you would therefore be driving your car without insurance. It requires a higher class of business cover to be authorized to perform “drops” of goods. All pouches will be delivered to pouch boxes by official acceleration

So does the same procedure count for tracked items and over sized parcels and specials ?

baleout · Post by **baleout** » 21 Jan 2011, 19:14

Losing the will to live.

RM can not force you to use your own vehicle for delivery.

If it's a long work to start your round it just gives you less time to deliver mail. Work out how long it takes to walk there and back and use any spare time to deliver mail then bring the rest back. Just be sure to inform DOM of what you going to do before you go out.

They'll soon find a way of getting you there quicker. If you continue to use your car they won't.

You should realise they can cut duties because of people using cars !!!!!

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