Royal Mail trying to avoid liability for snow

[coxie]

At work they told us in WTL we had to go out today, after 10mins of delivering some other posties who were still at the office ring me and say they are now being kept in. The managers said if anyone goes out, it's up to them and they wont take the blame for any accidents. Fair enough so nobody went out, some of us were already out so I rang my manager and told him at the time I went out the last I heard was our DOM tell us we had to go out so if I have an accident they will be accepting liability.

The cheeky bastards

[redspartapost]

we were told today at 8.00am that if you wanted to do your delivery you could,if you chose not to then you would be kept in office until finishing time.in my row of frames only 4 out of 10 took their walks out.we were also told as long as you have on proper royal mail footware you are covered for any slips or accidents .p.s we also started delivery at 8.30.

[wiganpostie]

we were told today at 8.00am that if you wanted to do your delivery you could,if you chose not to then you would be kept in office until finishing time.in my row of frames only 4 out of 10 took their walks out.we were also told as long as you have on proper royal mail footware you are covered for any slips or accidents .p.s we also started delivery at 8.30.

In the current walking conditions, however, if any of us had an accident on delivery and were not wearing "spikeys" that had been issued, would we be deemed to be at fault?

[steven100]

So if this weather is too continue for weeks, what happens to the mail if you choose to stay in????? The underfoot conditions aren't going to improve soon, in fact it will probably get worse.
A more sensible view would to allocate 1 duty to 2 people.

[Stormproof]

So if this weather is too continue for weeks, what happens to the mail if you choose to stay in????? The underfoot conditions aren't going to improve soon, in fact it will probably get worse.
A more sensible view would to allocate 1 duty to 2 people.

You should know by now RM don't do sensible

[taurus88]

So if this weather is too continue for weeks, what happens to the mail if you choose to stay in????? The underfoot conditions aren't going to improve soon, in fact it will probably get worse.
A more sensible view would to allocate 1 duty to 2 people.

I was thinking about this earlier and felt that there were a number of ways it could be done. Ideally, one would pick a light day, then split the work force into groups, and have them focus on completing as many rounds in their section as possible in one day by taking a chunk of each round. If you split into groups of eight, and therefore eighths of a walk, I guess you could get three or four walks completed in this fashion. The only problem is that this does not stop mail piling up on the second set of walks whilst the first lot are completed, nor does it stop mail from piling up on the first set whilst the second are being completed. The problem with your solution is the availability of staff. Royal Mail doesn't have two people for every duty.

I guess they'll let it build up, then try and get rid of it on the docket.

[Broxi51]

I don't get paid to think about how to help RM get the mail delivered.
Thats why we have those wonderful and wise sages pontificating in their office

[mondeo18lx]

On my way to my delivery today,saw my section's "runner"(runs round his delivery,not a casual jog,a proper run!)Guess what,he was running!!.In 5 inches of snow!.Not sure if he had spikeys on though.

[fishtank]

So if this weather is too continue for weeks, what happens to the mail if you choose to stay in????? The underfoot conditions aren't going to improve soon, in fact it will probably get worse.
A more sensible view would to allocate 1 duty to 2 people.

The real problem with your solution is that if it's too dangerous to deliver....it's too dangerous to deliver.
It's not for us to worry about the mail in the frames.
Royal Mail are quick to draft in management when there are IA issues.
If they want to risk life and limb....let them.
If there is too much mail coming through the system...let them stop it at source and hand it back to TNT,DHL and the rest of the leeches and let them deliver it or fail.
I don't mind fighting my way through 2 feet of snow to deliver a card or a hospital appointment but i am certainly not going to do it for some DSA shoe catalogue that my customer never even ordered.

[steven100]

So if this weather is too continue for weeks, what happens to the mail if you choose to stay in????? The underfoot conditions aren't going to improve soon, in fact it will probably get worse.
A more sensible view would to allocate 1 duty to 2 people.

I have to take it back sensible view because 1 duty to 2 people is good but will the vans be able to get the delivery point!!!!! Here in Edinburgh i doubt many walks will be done in the near future unless you live on a main road. Already seen 3 cars get stuck in my street.

[REDLETTER]

So if this weather is too continue for weeks, what happens to the mail if you choose to stay in????? The underfoot conditions aren't going to improve soon, in fact it will probably get worse.
A more sensible view would to allocate 1 duty to 2 people.

The real problem with your solution is that if it's too dangerous to deliver....it's too dangerous to deliver.
It's not for us to worry about the mail in the frames.
Royal Mail are quick to draft in management when there are IA issues.
If they want to risk life and limb....let them.
If there is too much mail coming through the system...let them stop it at source and hand it back to TNT,DHL and the rest of the leeches and let them deliver it or fail.
I don't mind fighting my way through 2 feet of snow to deliver a card or a hospital appointment but i am certainly not going to do it for some DSA shoe catalogue that my customer never even ordered.

Why are you not a manager? Or is it because you can think outside the box that you aren't

[steven100]

So if this weather is too continue for weeks, what happens to the mail if you choose to stay in????? The underfoot conditions aren't going to improve soon, in fact it will probably get worse.
A more sensible view would to allocate 1 duty to 2 people.

The real problem with your solution is that if it's too dangerous to deliver....it's too dangerous to deliver.
It's not for us to worry about the mail in the frames.
Royal Mail are quick to draft in management when there are IA issues.
If they want to risk life and limb....let them.
If there is too much mail coming through the system...let them stop it at source and hand it back to TNT,DHL and the rest of the leeches and let them deliver it or fail.
I don't mind fighting my way through 2 feet of snow to deliver a card or a hospital appointment but i am certainly not going to do it for some DSA shoe catalogue that my customer never even ordered.

Why are you not a manager? Or is it because you can think outside the box that you aren't

I'm not a manager, managers in RM don't manage.

[taurus88]

So if this weather is too continue for weeks, what happens to the mail if you choose to stay in????? The underfoot conditions aren't going to improve soon, in fact it will probably get worse.
A more sensible view would to allocate 1 duty to 2 people.

The real problem with your solution is that if it's too dangerous to deliver....it's too dangerous to deliver.

I don't think any solution was being offered, this is very much in the vein of 'hypothetically, if you gave a damn, how would YOU do it?'

Now, fact is you and I and every frakker else is employed for x hours. If the frame's bursting it can stay that way until someone who's paid to resolve logistical problems can find a solution to get the mail out of the frame. How RM thinks a backlog of three/four days mail is going to be cleared at any point going into December, I've no idea. It isn't going to happen on my present walk, not a chance. Packets are already building up and the mail's ridiculous.

In a hypoethetical world, I wonder about it a bit. In the real world, I don't care.

[bean1510]

What are spikey's never heard of these in our office.

[dados]

so RM will dither,then get it all away on the docket,or they could grow a set,admit it needs sorted & get some temps in (who probably need the work) to get the backlog sorted before the pressure period really kicks in,dithering will pi$$ the public off,posties getting it in the neck,getting the temps won't sort the backlog that is usual for xmas,but it wont be as bad,it will also clear the frames ready for the pressure