Who gets moved to other office?

[derkhead]

Due to our revision it looks like 1 or maybe 2 people from our office will be spare and possibly moved to another office. This other office with vacancies is about 8 or 10 miles away.

My question is, how is it decided on who gets moved to the other office?
Is it based on seniority?

Having your own transport and able to get to the other office?

Usefulness to your current office, ie someone who on a driving duty being more needed to stay than say a regular postman?

Cheers

[demon]

last in will be shipped out but they can only ask you to travel a few miles to get there it is now way 8 miles

[fishtank]

last in will be shipped out but they can only ask you to travel a few miles to get there it is now way 8 miles

From P&M2007...it's another local issue.

• Working in nearby offices – Areas will identify and agree with the CWU
locally a approach (which could include the use of volunteers and
reserves) to working in nearby offices within employees’ contracted
hours which will include travel times and appropriate travel and
subsistence arrangements

[woofwoof]

last in will be shipped out but they can only ask you to travel a few miles to get there it is now way 8 miles

From P&M2007...it's another local issue.

• Working in nearby offices – Areas will identify and agree with the CWU
locally a approach (which could include the use of volunteers and
reserves) to working in nearby offices within employees’ contracted
hours which will include travel times and appropriate travel and
subsistence arrangements

so how do you stand if you dont want to drive and the only duty u want is non-driving but the less senior says i will drive when u are in the s**t is the repick on seniority or suitability

[clashcityrocker]

If you have driven for RM and now refuse to drive - you are in the s**t.
If you can't drive (or can but have never and still won't drive for RM) - you are in the s**t.
People "less senior" who can and will drive will effectively become "more senior"

[fishtank]

so how do you stand if you dont want to drive and the only duty u want is non-driving but the less senior says i will drive when u are in the s**t is the repick on seniority or suitability

Both.

Allocating people to duties and equipment

The delivery revisions process will produce a new duty set with new routes, methods and equipment. The Way Forward Agreement (Appendix 2) explains how and when a re-pick of duties should be used (resourcing jobs during major change). Because a delivery method will be prescribed for each route in the office, for Delivery Methods revisions, re-picks assume greater significance. Re-picks give the opportunity for people to select a duty that uses the equipment they prefer.

The following headline principles should be applied to your re-pick (but for fuller guidance, consult the Delivery Methods Repick Guidance paper, available in phase four of the Delivery Revisions Process online:

1. Staff will need to be trained on the equipment they will be using
2. Duties should be divided between driving and non-driving duties
3. In line with existing guidelines seniority applies to duty allocation. The only exception to this will be where it has been agreed that there are personal circumstances that need to be taken into account. For example people with a disability need to be offered suitable duties. (See section 16.4 para 3 of Ways of Working within Way Forward Agreement and Section 2.2 in Resourcing Jobs as a result of Major Change)
4. Driving duties will be restricted to existing and volunteer new drivers and non-driving duties will be restricted to non-drivers
5. A driver is needed for every shared van pair. Only one non-driver can pick into a shared van duty pair
6. Non-driving shared van partners should be restricted to 50% or less of the total number of shared van partners. The exact ratio will be determined by you, but the balance you must strike is between creating a duty set:
a. With enough options to match your peoples’ skills
b. With enough flexibility to give you adequate cover in cases of people failure and unplanned absence
7. The non-driving duties can be allocated to any of the shared vans, up to the agreed ratio
8. The cover and the leave reserve duties need to adequately cover the driving requirements of the shared van duty to ensure that the van can be taken out each day

You need to understand the driving requirements and be confident in having sufficient drivers at the planning stage

[Pat Ostman]

If you have driven for RM and now refuse to drive - you are in the s**t.
If you can't drive (or can but have never and still won't drive for RM) - you are in the s**t.
People "less senior" who can and will drive will effectively become "more senior"

Spot on

[POSTMAN]

Is this permanent spare as in no duties for them or is it just temp? There is a difference,it looks like 'compulsory transfer' something i've bought up on here before but have never had a proper answer.
What is the score if you have a revision and the last few who have no duties do not want to move?

[fishtank]

What is the score if you have a revision and the last few who have no duties do not want to move?

If you have gone through the options in the MTSF agreement with regards to VR,buy downs,bumping,TMA etc and there is still no duty for them...as long as they could show that their refusal was not unreasonable ...they would be offered VR.
I would imagine it would be very unusual to reach this position and if it is a "compulsory transfer" chances are someone doesn't know what the're doing or is trying it on.
I have no idea how this applies to FTCs...maybe they're protected...maybe not.