Stage 1

[mentaltheshots]

Iam of sick at the moment (Broken collar bone), hoping to be back at work by the end of the month (july). By the time I hopefully go back I would have been of for aprox 3 months. Does this mean I will get a stage 1? If so can I appeal against it?

[TrueBlueTerrier]

To answer the basic question. No if you get a Stage 1 or 2 you cannot appeal it - Only a Stage 3 can be appealed. However at a stage 3 the applicability of previous stages that led to the Stage being issued can be questioned.

I believe however you can if you feel aggrieved by the decision put a grievance in against the manager issuing it.



Edit: Moved into Union Room

[woofwoof]

To answer the basic question. No if you get a Stage 1 or 2 you cannot appeal it - Only a Stage 3 can be appealed. However at a stage 3 the applicability of previous stages that led to the Stage being issued can be questioned.

I believe however you can if you feel aggrieved by the decision put a grievance in against the manager issuing it.



Edit: Moved into Union Room

put a grievance in against the manager issuing it this is true we have got a few knocked back now by doing this

[TrueBlueTerrier]

To answer the basic question. No if you get a Stage 1 or 2 you cannot appeal it - Only a Stage 3 can be appealed. However at a stage 3 the applicability of previous stages that led to the Stage being issued can be questioned.

I believe however you can if you feel aggrieved by the decision put a grievance in against the manager issuing it.



Edit: Moved into Union Room

put a grievance in against the manager issuing it this is true we have got a few knocked back now by doing this

The grievance wont reverse the decision of a stage being issued as it can't. What it does do though is highlight how strongly you feel aggrieved and if you pursue the matter to area level you may even get their management to agree with you and then it is entered into your record.

However, a grievance against a manager issuing a stage warning is a very big step and not one that should be entered into lightly if at all.

[woofwoof]

To answer the basic question. No if you get a Stage 1 or 2 you cannot appeal it - Only a Stage 3 can be appealed. However at a stage 3 the applicability of previous stages that led to the Stage being issued can be questioned.

I believe however you can if you feel aggrieved by the decision put a grievance in against the manager issuing it.



Edit: Moved into Union Room

put a grievance in against the manager issuing it this is true we have got a few knocked back now by doing this

The grievance wont reverse the decision of a stage being issued as it can't. What it does do though is highlight how strongly you feel aggrieved and if you pursue the matter to area level you may even get their management to agree with you and then it is entered into your record.

However, a grievance against a manager issuing a stage warning is a very big step and not one that should be entered into lightly if at all.

we have had them reversed by going to grievance against it

[horris]

just something I'd like other peoples thoughts on regarding stage warnings. Do you think it's fair or right that they include sunday and your official day off during the week as sick days? because you're not due to work them so why count them as sick? if you went sick on a wednesday and day off was friday you come back to work the following wednesday thats a total of 7 week days but friday was day off and sunday not due to work making 5 working days off sick. With the attendance procedure the way it is set out with periods off or total days off they're counting 2 days as sick when you're not even due to be at work. If they insist on counting sunday and official day off as sick day and we get sick pay then why if we are off sick for 7 days as they class it do we only get 5 days sick pay? I know some people will be thinking you get paid for working 40 hours a week NOT number of days in a week but then why class the days off as sick when you're attending work for the number of hours you're meant to on those days thats ZERO.
If you have wed-wed off sick twice in a year thats 10 working days so no stage issued (if on no warnings) but if they include days you're not due to work this makes 14 days off and you get a warning. So you could be getting a stage warning because you were sick on days you're not even due to be attending work.

[not me]

just something I'd like other peoples thoughts on regarding stage warnings. Do you think it's fair or right that they include sunday and your official day off during the week as sick days? because you're not due to work them so why count them as sick? if you went sick on a wednesday and day off was friday you come back to work the following wednesday thats a total of 7 week days but friday was day off and sunday not due to work making 5 working days off sick. With the attendance procedure the way it is set out with periods off or total days off they're counting 2 days as sick when you're not even due to be at work. If they insist on counting sunday and official day off as sick day and we get sick pay then why if we are off sick for 7 days as they class it do we only get 5 days sick pay? I know some people will be thinking you get paid for working 40 hours a week NOT number of days in a week but then why class the days off as sick when you're attending work for the number of hours you're meant to on those days thats ZERO.
If you have wed-wed off sick twice in a year thats 10 working days so no stage issued (if on no warnings) but if they include days you're not due to work this makes 14 days off and you get a warning. So you could be getting a stage warning because you were sick on days you're not even due to be attending work.

if you are sick before and after your day off,then you are sick for the complete period
if you are going to be fit for the Monday then call in on saturday to inform them
then the Sunday doesnt count towards you sick
its standard practice that all days are counted as sick days when off

[horris]

just something I'd like other peoples thoughts on regarding stage warnings. Do you think it's fair or right that they include sunday and your official day off during the week as sick days? because you're not due to work them so why count them as sick? if you went sick on a wednesday and day off was friday you come back to work the following wednesday thats a total of 7 week days but friday was day off and sunday not due to work making 5 working days off sick. With the attendance procedure the way it is set out with periods off or total days off they're counting 2 days as sick when you're not even due to be at work. If they insist on counting sunday and official day off as sick day and we get sick pay then why if we are off sick for 7 days as they class it do we only get 5 days sick pay? I know some people will be thinking you get paid for working 40 hours a week NOT number of days in a week but then why class the days off as sick when you're attending work for the number of hours you're meant to on those days thats ZERO.
If you have wed-wed off sick twice in a year thats 10 working days so no stage issued (if on no warnings) but if they include days you're not due to work this makes 14 days off and you get a warning. So you could be getting a stage warning because you were sick on days you're not even due to be attending work.

if you are sick before and after your day off,then you are sick for the complete period
if you are going to be fit for the Monday then call in on saturday to inform them
then the Sunday doesnt count towards you sick
its standard practice that all days are counted as sick days when off

I know if you're going to be fit for work on the monday then call in saturday but my point is if you're on holiday and are sick they dont class this as sick days because you're not due to be working so why class your day off as sick days because you're not due to be working. I know that if you're off for 1 day or 100 days it counts as 1 period but the problem I have is they're countind days off as sick days thus triggering stage warnings. This happend to me,I was off midweek-midweek and it included a sunday and my day off. I was given a 2nd stage warning for having more than the acceptable number of days off (not periods, just days) I was over by 2 days my day off and sunday so I missed 5 days of work and they classed me as having 7 days off and that put me over the limit. I just think if they're going to say if you have a certain amount of days off sick it should be working days. It might be standard practice but it doesnt mean its right?

[woofwoof]

just something I'd like other peoples thoughts on regarding stage warnings. Do you think it's fair or right that they include sunday and your official day off during the week as sick days? because you're not due to work them so why count them as sick? if you went sick on a wednesday and day off was friday you come back to work the following wednesday thats a total of 7 week days but friday was day off and sunday not due to work making 5 working days off sick. With the attendance procedure the way it is set out with periods off or total days off they're counting 2 days as sick when you're not even due to be at work. If they insist on counting sunday and official day off as sick day and we get sick pay then why if we are off sick for 7 days as they class it do we only get 5 days sick pay? I know some people will be thinking you get paid for working 40 hours a week NOT number of days in a week but then why class the days off as sick when you're attending work for the number of hours you're meant to on those days thats ZERO.
If you have wed-wed off sick twice in a year thats 10 working days so no stage issued (if on no warnings) but if they include days you're not due to work this makes 14 days off and you get a warning. So you could be getting a stage warning because you were sick on days you're not even due to be attending work.

if you are sick before and after your day off,then you are sick for the complete period
if you are going to be fit for the Monday then call in on saturday to inform them
then the Sunday doesnt count towards you sick
its standard practice that all days are counted as sick days when off

I know if you're going to be fit for work on the monday then call in saturday but my point is if you're on holiday and are sick they dont class this as sick days because you're not due to be working so why class your day off as sick days because you're not due to be working. I know that if you're off for 1 day or 100 days it counts as 1 period but the problem I have is they're countind days off as sick days thus triggering stage warnings. This happend to me,I was off midweek-midweek and it included a sunday and my day off. I was given a 2nd stage warning for having more than the acceptable number of days off (not periods, just days) I was over by 2 days my day off and sunday so I missed 5 days of work and they classed me as having 7 days off and that put me over the limit. I just think if they're going to say if you have a certain amount of days off sick it should be working days. It might be standard practice but it doesnt mean its right?

I missed 5 days of work
this would not give you a stage warning

[MinisterofCucumber]

I agree with Horris.

It can't be right that days we are not meant to be at work are counted as days off sick. The management take the view that we have signed all our rights away to the union to bargain for us collectively. This is bollocks. If the union collectively bargained for us to be required to turn up for work naked, we could challenge this in court. I think the union may have agreed to something beyond their remit when the attendance procedure was being negotiated. The next time someone has their days off counted as sick and this triggers a stage warning, they should put in a grievance and pursue it all the way to tribunal. This sounds like a breach of our Human Right to privacy.

[wolfie citizen smith]

You have a blooming good valid point there Horris and one I feel you should continue to follow threw