Willful Delay ??

Cybitech · Post by **Cybitech** » 30 Jul 2007, 18:50

This morning, a lot of the staff in our office were moaning about how much work they had because of the strike.
As we usually get 2 lorries every morning with mail, most of the staff had decided that they were going to cut-off and finish to time, bringing what mail was left back to the office.

But when the DOM heard this, he decided that all of the mail from the 2nd lorry was going to be held back in the office until tomorrow, and he wanted the staff to work to their time with whatever mail they had up until then. Is this classed as willful delay ? or just an executive decision where the DOM gets away with it ?

Anyone any ideas where we stand on this ?

bigsharkboy · Post by **bigsharkboy** » 30 Jul 2007, 18:51

ive had this argument with a ex DUM and his response then was operational so therefore not wilful delay

typical one rule for them one rule for us

Cybitech · Post by **Cybitech** » 30 Jul 2007, 18:54

how is it, when management hold back a load of yorks of flats, letters and packets it's ok, but if we bring one letter back to the office it's willful delay and goodbye ?

ROCKY · Post by **ROCKY** » 30 Jul 2007, 19:13

dont know never figured that out,comes with its not my fault it wasnt operationally viable,might have to try that one sometime

Spedley · Post by **Spedley** » 30 Jul 2007, 19:31

I think they took the right decission there, and fair play to them for managing well.

I don't think willfull delay is there to penalise people for bringing a letter back but it gives them sufficient grounds to stop postmen being lazy.

Cybitech · Post by **Cybitech** » 30 Jul 2007, 19:36

most of the postmen in our office cut-off anyway, regardless of what the DOM said, and brought a load of mail back, so really wouldn;t it have been better to get what was there sorted, and just let the lads cut-off. Either way it was going to be a failure, but this way we have a hell of a load to sort tomorrow morning, lol ??

coppertop · Post by **coppertop** » 30 Jul 2007, 19:42

We had loads of mail like all the offices about , we all complained as you do about the volumes we had to sort , and were told this is what you get for going on strike. we replyed this is what you get when two tats stick there heads in the sand and hope the the union will dissapear

bigsharkboy · Post by **bigsharkboy** » 30 Jul 2007, 19:47

coppertop wrote:We had loads of mail like all the offices about , we all complained as you do about the volumes we had to sort , and were told this is what you get for going on strike. we replyed this is what you get when two tats stick there heads in the sand and hope the the union will dissapear

ianpostie · Post by **ianpostie** » 30 Jul 2007, 21:18

Spedley wrote:I think they took the right decission there, and fair play to them for managing well.

I don't think willfull delay is there to penalise people for bringing a letter back but it gives them sufficient grounds to stop postmen being lazy.

fair play to them for managing well?some of your post's are full of sh*t,the only reason mail was left today was to stop people cutting off,i'd love to know how that is managing well--it dont take a rocket scientist to make a decision like that.

vigilante · Post by **vigilante** » 30 Jul 2007, 21:36

Willful delay is there to get post people but it is still hard to prove.
you should claim it was accidental delay, how can they prove you did it on purpose in most cases???
Management are so hypocritical they leave mail all the time when it suits their cause!!

Cybitech · Post by **Cybitech** » 30 Jul 2007, 22:08

i remember only last year, when our local area mail center forgot about a whole articulated trailer load of mailsorts. They were sat there for a couple of weeks before anyone did anything, then they just got introduced into the system. Nobody got any sh*t for that, just us lowly posties who had to deliver the stuff.

Spedley · Post by **Spedley** » 30 Jul 2007, 22:38

Someone in our office just came back after a weeks leave and foud a docket left packet still in their bag. The person did need the package and it was now out of date and no use.

Management seems to have given him a slight telling off but not taken or threatened any action. It was an honest mistake and he is a good postman.

It seems that managers vary throught the country and that our office is probably better than most.

P.S. I would write a reply ianpostie but I just can't be arsed.

ianpostie · Post by **ianpostie** » 31 Jul 2007, 02:27

Spedley wrote:Someone in our office just came back after a weeks leave and foud a docket left packet still in their bag. The person did need the package and it was now out of date and no use.

Management seems to have given him a slight telling off but not taken or threatened any action. It was an honest mistake and he is a good postman.

It seems that managers vary throught the country and that our office is probably better than most.

P.S. I would write a reply ianpostie but I just can't be arsed.

is that the same cant be arsed to use a bike--and much prefer to use a car then?

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 31 Jul 2007, 13:49

Spedley wrote:I think they took the right decision there, and fair play to them for managing well.

I don't think willfull delay is there to penalise people for bringing a letter back but it gives them sufficient grounds to stop postmen being lazy.

I would honestly like to know how you came to this opinion. As from experience it seems to me that they use it as a big stick to wind up hard working posties who have asked for help or made a genuine mistake. How can you tell if a postman is lazy apart from walk testing and prep testing them.

Post by **POSTMAN** » 31 Jul 2007, 16:35

The last couple of days our DIM has been putting yorks and koffins at the back of the office so we don't touch them,1st class,DSA,and the like.
When he's not looking we get them and tip them

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