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stay at work till you drop
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borders
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stay at work till you drop
Stay at work till you drop
According to the Con-Dem coalition, we are in the grip of a huge financial crisis, requiring swingeing cuts in the welfare state and the public sector, VAT rises and attacks on public-sector redundancy entitlements and pensions.
But it seems to be a highly selective crisis if you read the financial columns, because business seems to be in the middle of a great big boom.
Just yesterday, Royal Dutch Shell declared a 34 per cent rise in second-quarter profits to £2.7 billion. Norwegian oil company Statoil said that its profit surged to 3.6 billion kroner from 77 million kroner a year earlier
Rupert Murdoch's BSkyB reported nearly quadrupling its profit to £336 million in the three months, compared to £90 million a year earlier. Telecoms giant BT reported a net profit of £284 million in the same period, compared to £214 million a year earlier.
Pharmaceutical firm Sanofi-Aventis SA reported that net profit rose 61 per cent to €1.7 billion in its second quarter.
German lorry manufacturer MAN reported earnings of €151 million in the April-June period, up from €27 million a year earlier. And Sony booked a net profit of 25.7 billion yen for the quarter, up from a 37.1 billion yen loss.
Not much sign of a crisis in those figures, then.
But what of working people? What's in it for them? Well, they are getting a good deal too, apparently. The government has just announced that it's going to let them work until they drop rather than forcing them to retire at 65.
The coalition is "liberating" working people to continue at work for as long as they like, although perhaps it might be better phrased as "as long as they can."
They are making much of individuals' right to choose when they retire, which is about as dishonest as it comes, when you think about it.
Because there's nothing free about having to continue at work because the state pension is inadequate or because the bankers' cock-ups have driven shares into such a nosedive that your occupational pension scheme has turned to dust in your hands.
And don't trust Pensions Minister Steve Webb when he says that "by spending longer in the workforce, they can also have a better pension in retirement." It's simply not true. Most occupational pension schemes terminate accruals at a fixed date, no matter how long you continue to work.
And the freedom to keep working is not exactly an evenly spread benefit - if it's a benefit at all.
Let's face it, it's a damn sight easier to work past 65 if you are a comfy and well-off manager than if you're a building worker or a manual worker of any kind.
No-one seems to be thinking about the youth here. If workers are being forced by inadequate pensions to work longer, with government connivance, what happens to the new generation of workers emerging from the schools and universities every year?
With 2.5 million already unemployed and 8 million economically inactive, and with a huge proportion of the workforce already forced into unsatisfactory part-time jobs, young people's prospects in the jobs market weren't great at the best of times and with more workers continuing after 65, they will be even worse.
If you can't rely on natural retirement and replacement any more, where are the new jobs to come from? The answer is, only from growth.
You might think that, but the truth is rather different. With the companies mentioned earlier, their massive profits aren't going to go into growth, they are heading straight for shareholders' pockets.
In fact, BT and Shell, in the midst of growing profits, are both in the process of shedding jobs, 7,000 in the case of Shell. So you can forget the free market creating jobs.
There are real issues here. If people want to work past 65, it is fair that they should have the freedom to do so. But if the reality of it is that they are being forced to do so by poverty or falling pensions values, that isn't freedom, it's just another kind of coercion. And to present it as a progressive measure is a blatant lie.
According to the Con-Dem coalition, we are in the grip of a huge financial crisis, requiring swingeing cuts in the welfare state and the public sector, VAT rises and attacks on public-sector redundancy entitlements and pensions.
But it seems to be a highly selective crisis if you read the financial columns, because business seems to be in the middle of a great big boom.
Just yesterday, Royal Dutch Shell declared a 34 per cent rise in second-quarter profits to £2.7 billion. Norwegian oil company Statoil said that its profit surged to 3.6 billion kroner from 77 million kroner a year earlier
Rupert Murdoch's BSkyB reported nearly quadrupling its profit to £336 million in the three months, compared to £90 million a year earlier. Telecoms giant BT reported a net profit of £284 million in the same period, compared to £214 million a year earlier.
Pharmaceutical firm Sanofi-Aventis SA reported that net profit rose 61 per cent to €1.7 billion in its second quarter.
German lorry manufacturer MAN reported earnings of €151 million in the April-June period, up from €27 million a year earlier. And Sony booked a net profit of 25.7 billion yen for the quarter, up from a 37.1 billion yen loss.
Not much sign of a crisis in those figures, then.
But what of working people? What's in it for them? Well, they are getting a good deal too, apparently. The government has just announced that it's going to let them work until they drop rather than forcing them to retire at 65.
The coalition is "liberating" working people to continue at work for as long as they like, although perhaps it might be better phrased as "as long as they can."
They are making much of individuals' right to choose when they retire, which is about as dishonest as it comes, when you think about it.
Because there's nothing free about having to continue at work because the state pension is inadequate or because the bankers' cock-ups have driven shares into such a nosedive that your occupational pension scheme has turned to dust in your hands.
And don't trust Pensions Minister Steve Webb when he says that "by spending longer in the workforce, they can also have a better pension in retirement." It's simply not true. Most occupational pension schemes terminate accruals at a fixed date, no matter how long you continue to work.
And the freedom to keep working is not exactly an evenly spread benefit - if it's a benefit at all.
Let's face it, it's a damn sight easier to work past 65 if you are a comfy and well-off manager than if you're a building worker or a manual worker of any kind.
No-one seems to be thinking about the youth here. If workers are being forced by inadequate pensions to work longer, with government connivance, what happens to the new generation of workers emerging from the schools and universities every year?
With 2.5 million already unemployed and 8 million economically inactive, and with a huge proportion of the workforce already forced into unsatisfactory part-time jobs, young people's prospects in the jobs market weren't great at the best of times and with more workers continuing after 65, they will be even worse.
If you can't rely on natural retirement and replacement any more, where are the new jobs to come from? The answer is, only from growth.
You might think that, but the truth is rather different. With the companies mentioned earlier, their massive profits aren't going to go into growth, they are heading straight for shareholders' pockets.
In fact, BT and Shell, in the midst of growing profits, are both in the process of shedding jobs, 7,000 in the case of Shell. So you can forget the free market creating jobs.
There are real issues here. If people want to work past 65, it is fair that they should have the freedom to do so. But if the reality of it is that they are being forced to do so by poverty or falling pensions values, that isn't freedom, it's just another kind of coercion. And to present it as a progressive measure is a blatant lie.
"why should it just be the bankers, politicians and the idle rich who get all the best things ? we demand a standard of living for our members that enables them to share in the fine wines and times that the likes of Cameron and his Eton buddies take for granted " - the late great Bob Crow RIP.
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Night Tonic
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Re: stay at work till you drop
http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/inde ... full/93410" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Don't believe everything you're told in the rest room
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baldrick
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Re: stay at work till you drop
Didn't know you read the Morning Star NT.Night Tonic wrote:http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/inde ... full/93410
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borders
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Re: stay at work till you drop
its the content in the paper that is interesting !!! NT a reader of a communist paper who would have thought it !!! 
"why should it just be the bankers, politicians and the idle rich who get all the best things ? we demand a standard of living for our members that enables them to share in the fine wines and times that the likes of Cameron and his Eton buddies take for granted " - the late great Bob Crow RIP.
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DirtyHarry
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Re: stay at work till you drop
Almost everything that comes from the lips of a member of the British establishment is a damned lie.
And with the establishment we have these days, being more dishonest, more likely to indulge in criminal activities such as fraud, anyone, and I mean, anyone, who believes for one second anything a politician, or a businessman says, has got to be one sandwich short of the proverbial picnic.
And with the establishment we have these days, being more dishonest, more likely to indulge in criminal activities such as fraud, anyone, and I mean, anyone, who believes for one second anything a politician, or a businessman says, has got to be one sandwich short of the proverbial picnic.
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fishtank
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Re: stay at work till you drop
Night Tonic wrote:http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/inde ... full/93410
Is that supposed to have any significance NT?
Would it only be interesting if it was in the Daily Mail or the News of the World or the Telegraph?
Are these newspapers any less agenda led than the morning star?
It's a good piece and stands on it's own no matter who published it.
good times, bad times you know I've had my share
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borders
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Re: stay at work till you drop
Amen to that , DirtyHarry .DirtyHarry wrote:Almost everything that comes from the lips of a member of the British establishment is a damned lie.
And with the establishment we have these days, being more dishonest, more likely to indulge in criminal activities such as fraud, anyone, and I mean, anyone, who believes for one second anything a politician, or a businessman says, has got to be one sandwich short of the proverbial picnic.
"why should it just be the bankers, politicians and the idle rich who get all the best things ? we demand a standard of living for our members that enables them to share in the fine wines and times that the likes of Cameron and his Eton buddies take for granted " - the late great Bob Crow RIP.
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mdm
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Re: stay at work till you drop
Jesus f***ing communists! Yes i believe everything that rag has to say! 2010 mmmfishtank wrote:Night Tonic wrote:http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/inde ... full/93410
Is that supposed to have any significance NT?
Would it only be interesting if it was in the Daily Mail or the News of the World or the Telegraph?
Are these newspapers any less agenda led than the morning star?
It's a good piece and stands on it's own no matter who published it.
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BELIAL
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POSTMAN
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Re: stay at work till you drop
When you post copy/paste articles from the net it is net etiquette that you provide a link back to the original story.
Please bare that in mind when you do it guys.
Maybe Nighty has done it for that reason,maybe not,only he can answer that.
But if he had not of posted it up,i would of asked for the link anyway.
Please bare that in mind when you do it guys.
Maybe Nighty has done it for that reason,maybe not,only he can answer that.
But if he had not of posted it up,i would of asked for the link anyway.
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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stokes11eg
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Re: stay at work till you drop
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DGP1
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Re: stay at work till you drop
stokes11eg wrote:'Stay at work til you drop'--well I'm on my knees now-
I'm preparing myself for the zombie invasion, rule number 1 - Cardio
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blue1873
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Re: stay at work till you drop
"Fnnarrr ....... Fnnarrrstokes11eg wrote:'Stay at work til you drop'--well I'm on my knees now-
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stokes11eg
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Re: stay at work till you drop
:crazy Please--don't tell me you are going the same way as those other two poster perverts---please! You're not son of DGP or DV are you?blue1873 wrote:"Fnnarrr ....... Fnnarrrstokes11eg wrote:'Stay at work til you drop'--well I'm on my knees now-
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krussel
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Re: stay at work till you drop
stokes11eg wrote: those other two poster perverts
Rows of houses all bearing down on me........I can feel their blue hands touching me.......All these things in all positions.........All these things will one day take control..........