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2010 and Beyond Agreement : Pay Related issues
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Geezer
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2010 and Beyond Agreement : Pay Related issues
Letter to Branches
No: 439/2010 Ref: 24209 Date: 20th May 2010
To: All Branches with Postal Members
Dear Colleague
Business Transformation 2010 and Beyond Agreement – Pay Related issues
The following is important information associated with pay aspects of the agreement.
General Approach/Royal Mail Pay Directives
In common with all changes to pay arrangements, Royal Mail issue a series of detailed pay directives that enable relevant changes to be made to the payroll system.
To ensure a more joined up approach we have now agreed a new process that will apply to sharing future pay directives. This provides an opportunity to discuss the content of the pay directives before they are issued.
Both parties also recognise the scale and logistics of the tasks involved in accurately implementing the pay elements of the agreement. Therefore, it is likely that from time to time this will require further discussion and clarification.
Implementation of New Basic Pay Supplements
We have agreed a target date of 7th June, for switching over to the new functional basic pay supplements. However, the actual date is dependent upon finalising some operational deployment issues and crucially the successful testing of changes that need to be made to the payroll system. These payroll changes involve cross referencing the records of all employees to ensure they are correctly tagged to their relevant function and therefore receive the appropriate basic pay supplement. This work is currently being undertaken by Royal Mail. Further information will be issued in due course.
In the meantime, we can also confirm the following relating to implementation of the new basic pay supplements:-
• Operational Support Grades will receive the full supplement (pro-rata for part time employees) relevant to the function that they work in.
• The new supplements will be treated as non-pensionable basic pay and will be subject to the usual basic pay rules. For example, they will be paid for up to six months for employees on long term sick leave; they will also be abated where individuals have purchased additional days leave.
For Mail Centre employees, where their new basic pay supplement is higher than their previous PBS/ICS payments, or where their new supplement is being funded entirely by ESOS, the supplement will be backdated to the 5th April. We are awaiting a site by site summary from Royal Mail to clarify the exact Mail Centre units who qualify.
The £400 Lump Sum linked to ratification of the Agreement
We have also received a number of enquiries relating to this lump sum. As a result we can issue the following clarifications.
• In the final draft of the agreement it has been pointed out that whilst all other payments stated they would be paid pro-rata, this was not the case for the lump sum linked to ratification of the agreement. Unfortunately, this was an oversight and neither party singled the £400 payment out in our discussions for different treatment. Therefore, we have had to accept that the previous colleagueshare rules apply and that this was the spirit of our agreement with Royal Mail.
However, we can advise that in pro-rating these payments for part timers, this has been based on actual hours that part timers have worked over the previous 12 months, not their contractual hours. This explains why some individuals have received higher pro-rata payments than their contractual hours.
• Following further discussion with Royal Mail the eligibility for the £400 lump sum will now be based on employees being in post on the 31st March 2010. Royal Mail has agreed to retrospectively revisit the eligibility criteria and now pay new joiners and people on career breaks during 2009/10.
Could Branches please ensure that the information contained in this LTB is conveyed to all relevant CWU members.
Any enquiries on the above LTB should be directed to the DGS (P) department.
Yours sincerely
Dave Ward
Deputy General Secretary (P)
No: 439/2010 Ref: 24209 Date: 20th May 2010
To: All Branches with Postal Members
Dear Colleague
Business Transformation 2010 and Beyond Agreement – Pay Related issues
The following is important information associated with pay aspects of the agreement.
General Approach/Royal Mail Pay Directives
In common with all changes to pay arrangements, Royal Mail issue a series of detailed pay directives that enable relevant changes to be made to the payroll system.
To ensure a more joined up approach we have now agreed a new process that will apply to sharing future pay directives. This provides an opportunity to discuss the content of the pay directives before they are issued.
Both parties also recognise the scale and logistics of the tasks involved in accurately implementing the pay elements of the agreement. Therefore, it is likely that from time to time this will require further discussion and clarification.
Implementation of New Basic Pay Supplements
We have agreed a target date of 7th June, for switching over to the new functional basic pay supplements. However, the actual date is dependent upon finalising some operational deployment issues and crucially the successful testing of changes that need to be made to the payroll system. These payroll changes involve cross referencing the records of all employees to ensure they are correctly tagged to their relevant function and therefore receive the appropriate basic pay supplement. This work is currently being undertaken by Royal Mail. Further information will be issued in due course.
In the meantime, we can also confirm the following relating to implementation of the new basic pay supplements:-
• Operational Support Grades will receive the full supplement (pro-rata for part time employees) relevant to the function that they work in.
• The new supplements will be treated as non-pensionable basic pay and will be subject to the usual basic pay rules. For example, they will be paid for up to six months for employees on long term sick leave; they will also be abated where individuals have purchased additional days leave.
For Mail Centre employees, where their new basic pay supplement is higher than their previous PBS/ICS payments, or where their new supplement is being funded entirely by ESOS, the supplement will be backdated to the 5th April. We are awaiting a site by site summary from Royal Mail to clarify the exact Mail Centre units who qualify.
The £400 Lump Sum linked to ratification of the Agreement
We have also received a number of enquiries relating to this lump sum. As a result we can issue the following clarifications.
• In the final draft of the agreement it has been pointed out that whilst all other payments stated they would be paid pro-rata, this was not the case for the lump sum linked to ratification of the agreement. Unfortunately, this was an oversight and neither party singled the £400 payment out in our discussions for different treatment. Therefore, we have had to accept that the previous colleagueshare rules apply and that this was the spirit of our agreement with Royal Mail.
However, we can advise that in pro-rating these payments for part timers, this has been based on actual hours that part timers have worked over the previous 12 months, not their contractual hours. This explains why some individuals have received higher pro-rata payments than their contractual hours.
• Following further discussion with Royal Mail the eligibility for the £400 lump sum will now be based on employees being in post on the 31st March 2010. Royal Mail has agreed to retrospectively revisit the eligibility criteria and now pay new joiners and people on career breaks during 2009/10.
Could Branches please ensure that the information contained in this LTB is conveyed to all relevant CWU members.
Any enquiries on the above LTB should be directed to the DGS (P) department.
Yours sincerely
Dave Ward
Deputy General Secretary (P)
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dvbuk55
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Re: 2010 and Beyond Agreement – Pay Related issues
"it has been pointed out"
Not a lot of chance of them spotting the other foibles in the agreement then.
Not a lot of chance of them spotting the other foibles in the agreement then.
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Dogs of War
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Re: 2010 and Beyond Agreement – Pay Related issues
Dave stick your agreement up your arse.
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bensonhedge
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Re: 2010 and Beyond Agreement – Pay Related issues
Dogs of War wrote:Dave stick your agreement up your arse.
yeah i,ll drink to that.
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Geezer
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Re: 2010 and Beyond Agreement – Pay Related issues
Dvbuk55
I like this bit We have agreed a target date of 7th June, for switching over to the new functional basic pay supplements.
This was the date RM put in the breif to managers, so did they discuss it or did RM just tell them they were going to do it, End Of.
I like this bit We have agreed a target date of 7th June, for switching over to the new functional basic pay supplements.
This was the date RM put in the breif to managers, so did they discuss it or did RM just tell them they were going to do it, End Of.
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dvbuk55
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Re: 2010 and Beyond Agreement – Pay Related issues
The best is yet to come, the next thing you know they will integrate The Voice with The Courier and there will be joint LTBsGeezer wrote:Dvbuk55
I like this bit We have agreed a target date of 7th June, for switching over to the new functional basic pay supplements.
This was the date RM put in the breif to managers, so did they discuss it or did RM just tell them they were going to do, End Of.
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Geezer
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Re: 2010 and Beyond Agreement – Pay Related issues
To say i feel let down would be the Under Statement of all time.Not only do the CWU seem to have joined forces with RM, aka Dave & Nick style.
But they seem to be morphing into a single entity with the members being seen as secondary to anything RM want.
But they seem to be morphing into a single entity with the members being seen as secondary to anything RM want.
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wakkono
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Re: 2010 and Beyond Agreement – Pay Related issues
The new supplements will be treated as non-pensionable basic pay and will be subject to the usual basic pay rules. For example, they will be paid for up to six months for employees on long term sick leave; they will also be abated where individuals have purchased additional days leave.
so if we purchase leave we wont get the full allowance then
shafted again by the looks of it
proud to have voted NO
so if we purchase leave we wont get the full allowance then
shafted again by the looks of it
proud to have voted NO
rural driver south wales valleys
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Big Daz
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Re: 2010 and Beyond Agreement – Pay Related issues
dvbuk55 wrote:The best is yet to come, the next thing you know they will integrate The Voice with The Courier and there will be joint LTBsGeezer wrote:Dvbuk55
I like this bit We have agreed a target date of 7th June, for switching over to the new functional basic pay supplements.
This was the date RM put in the breif to managers, so did they discuss it or did RM just tell them they were going to do, End Of.
The truth is often stranger than fiction
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dvbuk55
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Re: 2010 and Beyond Agreement – Pay Related issues
I have to agree with you there BD - I have always thought him a bit strange.Big Daz wrote:dvbuk55 wrote:The best is yet to come, the next thing you know they will integrate The Voice with The Courier and there will be joint LTBsGeezer wrote:Dvbuk55
I like this bit We have agreed a target date of 7th June, for switching over to the new functional basic pay supplements.
This was the date RM put in the breif to managers, so did they discuss it or did RM just tell them they were going to do, End Of.
The truth is often stranger than fiction
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stokes11eg
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Re: 2010 and Beyond Agreement – Pay Related issues
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Big Daz
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Re: 2010 and Beyond Agreement – Pay Related issues
I reckon they will have increased to £2 a share at next years buy back.
No more than £3 a share at 2012 buyback.
No more than £3 a share at 2012 buyback.
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Geezer
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Re: 2010 and Beyond Agreement : Pay Related issues
Does anyone know or has anyone heard anything about the Managers getting £400 college share pay out because we voted yes.
Apparently there was an email saying they would going round in my area.
Apparently there was an email saying they would going round in my area.
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gb93
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Re: 2010 and Beyond Agreement : Pay Related issues
The Agreement did say ALL employees would get £400 
This ain't no baseball game, you get only one chance and you blew it.
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POSTMAN
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Re: 2010 and Beyond Agreement : Pay Related issues
Tbf we all would of got it anyway,it's just that 'them' didn't have to give anything up.
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.