May 7th Lump sum £400 for part timers? agreement broken !

[tragictramp]

in regards to the £400 pound bribe, what will the part timers like myself get, in the agreement it says 400 for all employees, but surely this is pro rata?, my union rep insists it will be £400. If as i expect it is pro rata, then the agreement would have been invalidated immediately as they have broken a term of it. It says the d2d payment will be pro rata and the additional transformation lump sums as well but not the may 7th!

[SexyLegs]

You'll know in 6 days.....ooohh the anticipation! lol

[smileski]

The £400 payment next friday is definatley pro rata, it works out at £10 for each hour in your contract.

For example 30 hours= £300, 25 hours=£250 etc.

[tragictramp]

The £400 payment next friday is definatley pro rata, it works out at £10 for each hour in your contract.

For example 30 hours= £300, 25 hours=£250 etc.

exactly as i expected tbh, but if the reps cant understand this and the actual agreement says different, surely i can have a go at getting the difference.

[smileski]

I think it does say pro rata in the agreement to be honest mate.......

[GHOSTman]

sorry to be the bearer of more bad news...remember to take off Tax and national insurance as well...30h contract will probably be left with about £215, WOW..what a bribe that turned out to be...and it's our own money.

[tragictramp]

below is the full info from the agreement ive highlighted what i find to be debatable!

Reward Summary
The following reward package covers CWU graded employees in Royal Mail Letters Operations, Logistics and Network, Engineers, Fleet Maintenance Services, Royal Mail International.

YEAR 1

April 5th 2010 – 2% Increase to basic pensionable pay flowing through to all allowances London Pay Range, overtime and SA rates.
£400 lump sum (previously final ColleagueShares dividend) paid to all employees upon ratification of agreement.

YEAR 2
April 2011 – 1.4% increase to basic pensionable pay flowing through to all allowances, London Pay Rate, overtime and SA rates.
ColleagueShares buy back 1 currently valued at £536 per employee.

YEAR 3
April 2012 – 3.5% increase to basic pensionable pay flowing through to all allowances, London Pay Range, overtime and SA rates (re-opener clause).
ColleagueShares buy back 2 currently valued at £536 per employee.


April 2010. For Delivery employees a £20.60 pw permanent supplement to basic pay (pro rata for part time employees).
April 1st 2010. An increase in paid maternity leave from 18 weeks to 26 weeks and an increase in paid paternity leave from one week to two.
Additional Transformation Lump Sums totalling £1000 for employees covered by this agreement (pro rata for part time employees). Annex C gives the detailed trigger points for implementation of the lump sums in each function.

[tragictramp]

sorry to be the bearer of more bad news...remember to take off Tax and national insurance as well...30h contract will probably be left with about £215, WOW..what a bribe that turned out to be...and it's our own money.

im on a 24 hr contract so probly get about 200

[GHOSTman]

I can see what you're getting at, it doesn't mention pro rata does it! but i wouldn't hold out too much hope, i've only ever known lump sums be paid pro rata for PT....and i can't see it changing.

[dvbuk55]

below is the full info from the agreement ive highlighted what i find to be debatable!

Reward Summary
The following reward package covers CWU graded employees in Royal Mail Letters Operations, Logistics and Network, Engineers, Fleet Maintenance Services, Royal Mail International.

YEAR 1

April 5th 2010 – 2% Increase to basic pensionable pay flowing through to all allowances London Pay Range, overtime and SA rates.
£400 lump sum (previously final ColleagueShares dividend) paid to all employees upon ratification of agreement.

YEAR 2
April 2011 – 1.4% increase to basic pensionable pay flowing through to all allowances, London Pay Rate, overtime and SA rates.
ColleagueShares buy back 1 currently valued at £536 per employee.

YEAR 3
April 2012 – 3.5% increase to basic pensionable pay flowing through to all allowances, London Pay Range, overtime and SA rates (re-opener clause).
ColleagueShares buy back 2 currently valued at £536 per employee.


April 2010. For Delivery employees a £20.60 pw permanent supplement to basic pay (pro rata for part time employees).
April 1st 2010. An increase in paid maternity leave from 18 weeks to 26 weeks and an increase in paid paternity leave from one week to two.
Additional Transformation Lump Sums totalling £1000 for employees covered by this agreement (pro rata for part time employees). Annex C gives the detailed trigger points for implementation of the lump sums in each function.

D'you know tt, you may well have a point, after all the agreement is the agreement and the words of the agreement have to be adhered to by both parties soooooooooooooooo if it says ALL employees it must mean ALL employees will receive the same amount - after all the ballot was taken on the contents of the agreement - even though we didn't receive a copy - and if people didn't realise that it was pro rata then it could be a mis-ballot and would have to be rerun with the wording of the agreement amended accordingly - tut tut.

This is a job for super dingo!

[tragictramp]

i expect it to be pro rata tbh, just if this document is an agreement it should be followed, ill find out thursday like u said, but i think ill take it higher if it is pro rata as its a blatant lie in print!, if they cant write an agreement out after many months of negotiations without proof reading it for errors then its their hard luck.
If my reps been fooled by it how many others have?, it may have swung votes for some parters!

[Big Daz]

The CS dividends have allways been pro rata,

However 2010 reward section says

YEAR 1

£400 lump sum (previously final ColleagueShares dividend) paid to all employees upon ratification of agreement.

But the LTB 375/10 said The £400 lump sum (previous ColleagueShare dividend / paid pro-rata part time) due upon ratification of the agreement will also be paid on the 7th May 2010.

[dvbuk55]

The CS dividends have allways been pro rata,

However 2010 reward section says

YEAR 1

£400 lump sum (previously final ColleagueShares dividend) paid to all employees upon ratification of agreement.

But the LTB 375/10 said The £400 lump sum (previous ColleagueShare dividend / paid pro-rata part time) due upon ratification of the agreement will also be paid on the 7th May 2010.

Ah! That's only an LTB - the reward section is part of the JOINT agreement which we voted on NOT the LTB.

[tragictramp]

i voted on the agreement not the letter lol

[POSTMAN]

The CS dividends have allways been pro rata,

However 2010 reward section says

YEAR 1

£400 lump sum (previously final ColleagueShares dividend) paid to all employees upon ratification of agreement.

But the LTB 375/10 said The £400 lump sum (previous ColleagueShare dividend / paid pro-rata part time) due upon ratification of the agreement will also be paid on the 7th May 2010.

Ah! That's only an LTB - the reward section is part of the JOINT agreement which we voted on NOT the LTB.

Agreed,someone's made a cock up somewhere,now if (when) the part timers get it pro rata,which by THE agrement is wrong,what happens next?