what does flexability really mean

[wf]

Enough of the bull.what does this flexability s**t entail

Can i cut off on a monday?

Do i have to guess im gonna owe hours for a tues?

If im a leave reserve can they say, work to 3 or 4 youl make it up durin the week?

I dont only want an answer.

i want one of the lads recommending a yes to come forward and say .

Your 100% in taking that mail back ,you done youre best .

And if youre job goes mine will too, anybody?????

[Big Daz]

Enough of the bull.what does this flexability s**t entail

Can i cut off on a monday?

Do i have to guess im gonna owe hours for a tues?

If im a leave reserve can they say, work to 3 or 4 youl make it up durin the week?

I dont only want an answer.

i want one of the lads recommending a yes to come forward and say .

Your 100% in taking that mail back ,you done youre best .

And if youre job goes mine will too, anybody?????

You can cut off any day if you are unable to complete your duty within your allocated hours of attendance, the problems around the country is with management with bad attitude who are unwilling to to properly look at the duty or accept that even if its a low mail level day, some duties could buck the overall trend. The cult of budget has robbed managers of their senses and their ability to do their job.

Leave reserve does not make a blind bit of difference to anything, you have the same rights as someone holding a normal duty.

Your D.O should have a flexibilty agreement signed by rep and DOM, get hold of a copy and read it.

You can be asked/ you can ask to flex by 30 mins , but the 2007 national agreement is very clear it has to be given back to you the same week. Any manager not doing that is in clear violation of the agreement.

Flexibilty is also longs and shorts, this is a change in your hours of attendance to make them more reflective of the mail levels through out the week.

[wf]

Enough of the bull.what does this flexability s**t entail

Can i cut off on a monday?

Do i have to guess im gonna owe hours for a tues?

If im a leave reserve can they say, work to 3 or 4 youl make it up durin the week?

I dont only want an answer.

i want one of the lads recommending a yes to come forward and say .

Your 100% in taking that mail back ,you done youre best .

And if youre job goes mine will too, anybody?????

You can cut off any day if you are unable to complete your duty within your allocated hours of attendance, the problems around the country is with management with bad attitude who are unwilling to to properly look at the duty or accept that even if its a low mail level day, some duties could buck the overall trend. The cult of budget has robbed managers of their senses and their ability to do their job.

Leave reserve does not make a blind bit of difference to anything, you have the same rights as someone holding a normal duty.

Your D.O should have a flexibilty agreement signed by rep and DOM, get hold of a copy and read it.

You can be asked/ you can ask to flex by 30 mins , but the 2007 national agreement is very clear it has to be given back to you the same week. Any manager not doing that is in clear violation of the agreement.

Flexibilty is also longs and shorts, this is a change in your hours of attendance to make them more reflective of the mail levels through out the week.

Thanks for that big daz.clears it up a bit.Best thing i think cwu could get for us now i reckon is clocking in and out system

I know its been mentioned before,but i think now is the time

Most of the ones in our office are scared s**tless to cut off,because of the intimidiation that comes along with it

Least if clocking out was there you would have proof what time you finished.

No point asking are rep for anything,he cant even get a greevance form when required.

honestly they are that busy blowing the dom off in our place we dont stand a chance .

[bedfordrl]

Enough of the bull.what does this flexability s**t entail

Can i cut off on a monday?

Do i have to guess im gonna owe hours for a tues?

If im a leave reserve can they say, work to 3 or 4 youl make it up durin the week?

I dont only want an answer.

i want one of the lads recommending a yes to come forward and say .

Your 100% in taking that mail back ,you done youre best .

And if youre job goes mine will too, anybody?????

You can cut off any day if you are unable to complete your duty within your allocated hours of attendance, the problems around the country is with management with bad attitude who are unwilling to to properly look at the duty or accept that even if its a low mail level day, some duties could buck the overall trend. The cult of budget has robbed managers of their senses and their ability to do their job.

Leave reserve does not make a blind bit of difference to anything, you have the same rights as someone holding a normal duty.

Your D.O should have a flexibilty agreement signed by rep and DOM, get hold of a copy and read it.

You can be asked/ you can ask to flex by 30 mins , but the 2007 national agreement is very clear it has to be given back to you the same week. Any manager not doing that is in clear violation of the agreement.

Flexibilty is also longs and shorts, this is a change in your hours of attendance to make them more reflective of the mail levels through out the week.

Thanks for that big daz.clears it up a bit.Best thing i think cwu could get for us now i reckon is clocking in and out system

I know its been mentioned before,but i think now is the time

Most of the ones in our office are scared s**tless to cut off,because of the intimidiation that comes along with it

Least if clocking out was there you would have proof what time you finished.

No point asking are rep for anything,he cant even get a greevance form when required.

honestly they are that busy blowing the dom off in our place we dont stand a chance .

I have saying that for years.

If we had a clocking on machine it would stop all those numpties who rush around to finish early finishing early because they would lose wages!.

It should also give a true picture of how long a round is by the average times that people clock off and could help settle issues over rounds that are too big.

[Steviea34]

Enough of the bull.what does this flexability s**t entail

Can i cut off on a monday?

Do i have to guess im gonna owe hours for a tues?

If im a leave reserve can they say, work to 3 or 4 youl make it up durin the week?

I dont only want an answer.

i want one of the lads recommending a yes to come forward and say .

Your 100% in taking that mail back ,you done youre best .

And if youre job goes mine will too, anybody?????

Seen a willow tree in a hurricane - there it is

[dblad]

Big Daz, you say we can cut off, I'd like you to clarify this for me then please. When I started I was told that if I took all the mail out I was taking it with the intention of delivering it all, if I didn't deliver it all it was classed as wilful delay and if I knew that I wasn't going to be able to post it all I should inform my DOM before going out so that he can arrange for my walk to be completed by someone else. Is this correct or not.

[POSTMAN]

An old post from when we were on strike in 07 but still relevant.

There seems to be some confusion on the board and some of you are worried,due to Management regarding 'Work To Rule'.

IT IS NOT WTR.

Although mentioned by a lot on here including me it is not WTR it is just easier to say that rather than.....

Its all about the 318, (working to the rules laid down by RM,The Union & Health & Safety)

You are within your rights,if you so wish to:(Which IS NOT Industrial Action.)
Start at your proper start time:You can not be forced to come in early.
Take your allocated meal breaks:You have the right to take all of your break before you go out on delivery.
Weigh your bags:This is a H&S issue and the bag weights should be on/near your signing on sheet.
Not use your car:You do not have to use your car EVEN if you have signed their declaration form.

You can not be forced to do overtime.
You can not be forced to finish your round if it takes you over your finishing time.
You do not have to 'finish the round and i'll pay you docket for it' if you don't want to.
If you want to claim the overtime for working over,see your Line manager or DOM before you go out.

Getting to your walk:

Depending on what's in your 318's depends on how you get out.
Most would have a van to take you out and bring you back.
Some offices i know have to get on a bus.
Some of you have to walk there.
Have a look at your 318's and enquire in this thread if needed.
PS:If there aint a van available,then just wait.
Unless your Manager has Business insurance on his car (Get proof) then he can't take you out in his car.

Unable to complete your round:

You are within your rights to stop delivering if you don't want to go over your finishing time.
Inform your Manager while prepping that you think there could be a problem,they may tell you to carry on or they may tell you to stream the work.
Inform your Manager before you tie up that you feel you will 'not be able to complete your round'.
You are not 'CUTTING OFF' 'you are unable to complete your round'.
Await instructions.
If you are told that 'in his/her opinion' that you can finish the round,then ask him/her what time should you ring in to inform them that you can't complete it,as you feel that could be the case.

Pouching off:
Give yourself time to pouch off.If you take your work to a pouch box or a Post Office,give yourself enough time to do that so that when you've finished,it is then your finishing time.
If you have to come back to your DO then obviously give yourself enough travelling time to get back and do your bits.
Again get instructions from your DOM or line Manager.


Always ring in,at least 30-60mins before your duty finishes if they get stroppy and don't give you a time to ring,or are adamant you will finish.
Do the above even if work has been taken off you,and you still can't finish on time.
If you do not ring in you will get done for willful delay.

ALL of the above are being done now by various offices up and down the country,including mine.
I'm still here,they're still here,you will be told told that working this way will get you down the conduct code as it's IA by Managers,but they will be lieing.
Check out 'The 'On the Vans' thread' and 'The 'Burslem guys' thread' in 'Blue Shirts' topics 7 and 8 down.

It's a hell of a lot a fun working this way,believe me.

If i've made a mistake or something needs to be added then please let me know asap[/color]

This is RM`s very own words as stated in their. Guide to handling industrial action.

WTR:
In this form of industrial action employees perform their duties SRICTLY in accordance with any laid down guidelines.This will be evidenced by a possible drop in performance from rigidly following guidelines or instructions and is likely to have the same result or lead to a go slow.
Obviously, it may be difficult to declare a WTR as industrial action as, by its very definition, it means people are working as they are supposed to

[dblad]

Cheers postman, cleared that 1 up for me.

[wf]

An old post from when we were on strike in 07 but still relevant.

There seems to be some confusion on the board and some of you are worried,due to Management regarding 'Work To Rule'.

IT IS NOT WTR.

Although mentioned by a lot on here including me it is not WTR it is just easier to say that rather than.....

Its all about the 318, (working to the rules laid down by RM,The Union & Health & Safety)

You are within your rights,if you so wish to:(Which IS NOT Industrial Action.)
Start at your proper start time:You can not be forced to come in early.
Take your allocated meal breaks:You have the right to take all of your break before you go out on delivery.
Weigh your bags:This is a H&S issue and the bag weights should be on/near your signing on sheet.
Not use your car:You do not have to use your car EVEN if you have signed their declaration form.

You can not be forced to do overtime.
You can not be forced to finish your round if it takes you over your finishing time.
You do not have to 'finish the round and i'll pay you docket for it' if you don't want to.
If you want to claim the overtime for working over,see your Line manager or DOM before you go out.

Getting to your walk:

Depending on what's in your 318's depends on how you get out.
Most would have a van to take you out and bring you back.
Some offices i know have to get on a bus.
Some of you have to walk there.
Have a look at your 318's and enquire in this thread if needed.
PS:If there aint a van available,then just wait.
Unless your Manager has Business insurance on his car (Get proof) then he can't take you out in his car.

Unable to complete your round:

You are within your rights to stop delivering if you don't want to go over your finishing time.
Inform your Manager while prepping that you think there could be a problem,they may tell you to carry on or they may tell you to stream the work.
Inform your Manager before you tie up that you feel you will 'not be able to complete your round'.
You are not 'CUTTING OFF' 'you are unable to complete your round'.
Await instructions.
If you are told that 'in his/her opinion' that you can finish the round,then ask him/her what time should you ring in to inform them that you can't complete it,as you feel that could be the case.

Pouching off:
Give yourself time to pouch off.If you take your work to a pouch box or a Post Office,give yourself enough time to do that so that when you've finished,it is then your finishing time.
If you have to come back to your DO then obviously give yourself enough travelling time to get back and do your bits.
Again get instructions from your DOM or line Manager.


Always ring in,at least 30-60mins before your duty finishes if they get stroppy and don't give you a time to ring,or are adamant you will finish.
Do the above even if work has been taken off you,and you still can't finish on time.
If you do not ring in you will get done for willful delay.

ALL of the above are being done now by various offices up and down the country,including mine.
I'm still here,they're still here,you will be told told that working this way will get you down the conduct code as it's IA by Managers,but they will be lieing.
Check out 'The 'On the Vans' thread' and 'The 'Burslem guys' thread' in 'Blue Shirts' topics 7 and 8 down.

It's a hell of a lot a fun working this way,believe me.

If i've made a mistake or something needs to be added then please let me know asap[/color]

This is RM`s very own words as stated in their. Guide to handling industrial action.

WTR:
In this form of industrial action employees perform their duties SRICTLY in accordance with any laid down guidelines.This will be evidenced by a possible drop in performance from rigidly following guidelines or instructions and is likely to have the same result or lead to a go slow.
Obviously, it may be difficult to declare a WTR as industrial action as, by its very definition, it means people are working as they are supposed to

yes well done postman.only one thing to be aware of if following this to the letter

Sooner or later ,they may well get you back.

By that i mean if you have a duty of youre own ,they will lapse it

speaking from experience.

Or if you get sick they will try every move in the book to get rid of you,

speaking from experience again

[Spedley]

In our office "unable to complete your duty within the time" is different to "cutting off".
One is saying before you go out that you may have problems and the other is stopping delivering when your shift ends.

The conversation usually goes as follows ...
Me: I don't think I'll be able to complete.
DOM: Why?
Me: Its a busy day.
Me and DOM: blah blah, moan maon.
Me: Anyway, which bit do you want me to take out.
DOM: All of it ... Ha Ha ... ok, up to here.
Me: OK and I'll bring it back if it is too much.
DOM: huff huff, storm off.

It's a pain in the arse doing all that most days for the sake of not completing half a bag and it really grinds me down.

[el_cartero]

it means how hwo flexible u are at getting bent over ur frame and SHAFTED

how flexible are YOU?

[Big Daz]

Big Daz, you say we can cut off, I'd like you to clarify this for me then please. When I started I was told that if I took all the mail out I was taking it with the intention of delivering it all, if I didn't deliver it all it was classed as wilful delay and if I knew that I wasn't going to be able to post it all I should inform my DOM before going out so that he can arrange for my walk to be completed by someone else. Is this correct or not.

That is the correct procedure for cutting off.

However circumstances beyond your control may develop that mean you can no longer complete, in that situation you ring up the manager.

Another option is to tell the DOM you dont know if you can complete or not, but you are not willing to work over your time.