100% or what ?

[edo10]

manager was discussing today d2ds ,it was brought up that if(when) day specific d2d started would duties be design at 100% rates his answer was no he couldnt see that happening . so if thats the case do we only do about 75% of them or will we force to complete them ,will they use flexibility, bullying, or what to get them cleared

[the dragon]

manager was discussing today d2ds ,it was brought up that if(when) day specific d2d started would duties be design at 100% rates his answer was no he couldnt see that happening . so if thats the case do we only do about 75% of them or will we force to complete them ,will they use flexibility, bullying, or what to get them cleared

Very, very good question, one which ive also thought about. One thing is for definite, doms/reps will not set out our rounds out as if they will have 100% call rate, as we will not have d2d/live mail 6 days a week ..or will we ??

[ashadd]

If it does come in, then as far as i know, we can still cut off......even the dims can work that out i hope. No matter what, they cant force us to work over our contracted hours.If they do, then theWHOLE office will have to STICK TOGETHER and refuse to do them.

[numan]

My guess is this is where flexibility will kick in and they will screw around with our hours on a weekly basis to suit their needs. The agreement allows for this so the CWU will not support anybody who refuses.

[ashadd]

Were all DOOMED.......... VOTE NO

[chewi]

manager was discussing today d2ds ,it was brought up that if(when) day specific d2d started would duties be design at 100% rates his answer was no he couldnt see that happening . so if thats the case do we only do about 75% of them or will we force to complete them ,will they use flexibility, bullying, or what to get them cleared

Pay and major change says that they can ask you to go over by up to 30 minutes. Ask not tell or instruct. If you don't feel happy just saying no then just tell them you have an appointment you can't miss. If you do go over then it has to be reclaimed in the same week that it is done.

Strangely, no one in our office has ever been asked, possibly because management know the answer "(insert swearword) off"

Bullies only prosper if you don't stand up to them. Have a go it is fun.

The only fly in the ointment is the agreement we are voting on now although I can't see where it says that day specific items will happen, only that further discussions will happen on that subject

Boring I know, but read the agreements, all the way back to the way forward, it informs your arguements and you will know more than them

The only worthwhile function of management is as somewhere to put a key and wind.

[pinstripe]

I can guess the reply from the YES camp.
"Local agreement....reps involved in process...no bullying.......no one will have to work over their hours.....flag it up to area/divisional reps...blah, blah, blah."
Well I would like to see it in writing before it is implemented. This agreement is worded so ambiguously it will cause problems before the first 30 pieces of silver are paid out.

[numan]

Pay and major change says that they can ask you to go over by up to 30 minutes. Ask not tell or instruct. If you don't feel happy just saying no then just tell them you have an appointment you can't miss. If you do go over then it has to be reclaimed in the same week that it is done.

Check with a rep, I think you'll find you can only refuse if you have a very good excuse, to continually refuse would not be in the "spirit" of the agreement and will not be accepted. This will apply even more when day specific D2Ds hit the scene.

[edo10]

very good numan never thought of that so your sat finishing time is half hour later that what is arranged 3.00pm =3.30pm except the sats you have agood excuse to go home at your proper time

[chewi]

Pay and major change says that they can ask you to go over by up to 30 minutes. Ask not tell or instruct. If you don't feel happy just saying no then just tell them you have an appointment you can't miss. If you do go over then it has to be reclaimed in the same week that it is done.

Check with a rep, I think you'll find you can only refuse if you have a very good excuse, to continually refuse would not be in the "spirit" of the agreement and will not be accepted. This will apply even more when day specific D2Ds hit the scene.

Just checked the agreement.

"variation of hours - where necessary, for example when traffic volumes are unexpectedly high or resourcing issues arise, INDIVIDUALS MAY BE ASKED AND MAY THEMSELVES REQUEST TO VARY THEIR DUTY TIMES BY UP TO 30 MINUTES ON A SWINGS AND ROUNDABOUTS BASIS. AGAIN INDIVIDUAL CIRCUMSTANCES WILL BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT ANDTOTAL WEEKLY CONTRACTUAL HOURS WILL NOT CHANGE"

Sorry for shouting but sometimes........

[mclovin]

If there is a finish time of 2pm I will begin my return to the office at 1.45pm. If its 3pm I will begin my return at 2.45pm. I have kids and they need me, fook flexibility.

The gaffer can sort out whats left, cos I wont be.

[woofwoof]

If there is a finish time of 2pm I will begin my return to the office at 1.45pm. If its 3pm I will begin my return at 2.45pm. I have kids and they need me, fook flexibility.

The gaffer can sort out whats left, cos I wont be.

what about your pouching off time as you are giving them at least 15 mins and your van check

[mclovin]

See its not even clear what time to make the return. I cant possibly vote for something so vague.

What is clear is that I wont be working 1 single minute over, flexibility or no flexibility.

They've pushed the finish time too far back for that.

[fishtank]

Pay and major change says that they can ask you to go over by up to 30 minutes. Ask not tell or instruct. If you don't feel happy just saying no then just tell them you have an appointment you can't miss. If you do go over then it has to be reclaimed in the same week that it is done.

Check with a rep, I think you'll find you can only refuse if you have a very good excuse, to continually refuse would not be in the "spirit" of the agreement and will not be accepted. This will apply even more when day specific D2Ds hit the scene.

Just checked the agreement.

"variation of hours - where necessary, for example when traffic volumes are unexpectedly high or resourcing issues arise, INDIVIDUALS MAY BE ASKED AND MAY THEMSELVES REQUEST TO VARY THEIR DUTY TIMES BY UP TO 30 MINUTES ON A SWINGS AND ROUNDABOUTS BASIS. AGAIN INDIVIDUAL CIRCUMSTANCES WILL BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT ANDTOTAL WEEKLY CONTRACTUAL HOURS WILL NOT CHANGE"

Sorry for shouting but sometimes........

Chewi emphasising the word ask does not mean it is voluntary.
It is not a huge leap from ask to request and then to reasonable request and obviously then to......refusing a reasonable request.
The important part of that section of the agreement is INDIVIDUAL CIRCUMSTANCES WILL BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.
There would be no need for that part if it was voluntary now would there.

[edo10]

Pay and major change says that they can ask you to go over by up to 30 minutes. Ask not tell or instruct. If you don't feel happy just saying no then just tell them you have an appointment you can't miss. If you do go over then it has to be reclaimed in the same week that it is done.

Check with a rep, I think you'll find you can only refuse if you have a very good excuse, to continually refuse would not be in the "spirit" of the agreement and will not be accepted. This will apply even more when day specific D2Ds hit the scene.

Just checked the agreement.

"variation of hours - where necessary, for example when traffic volumes are unexpectedly high or resourcing issues arise, INDIVIDUALS MAY BE ASKED AND MAY THEMSELVES REQUEST TO VARY THEIR DUTY TIMES BY UP TO 30 MINUTES ON A SWINGS AND ROUNDABOUTS BASIS. AGAIN INDIVIDUAL CIRCUMSTANCES WILL BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT ANDTOTAL WEEKLY CONTRACTUAL HOURS WILL NOT CHANGE"

Sorry for shouting but sometimes........

right i think ive got then so d2d day specific will not be unexpected so no half hour flexiblity so they can ask but i can refuse and still be with in the spirit of the agreement so its 75% for me then and who ever wants can do the rest