Who really is losing in this agreement.

[Martin Walsh]

Look a lot have been said about rejecting the deal and how much someone is losing.

Well look if you reject the deal , you have no pay rise and no supplement and no thousand pounds, no improvement in mtsf , no process for dealing with mail centre or rdc closures , no process for dealing with standards , or geo route , no process for dealing with later saturdays. However you might for a time get your 1.67 door to door items ( not sure for how long )

However if you accept the deal lets have look at what you recieve inclusive of the supplement your pay will go up from £347.61 to £393.73 in the third year. Thats an increase of £46.21 for national rate,. Spare me the spin about the third year as it was the union who asked for the review just in case inflation had gone up and the pension blackhole had been sorted.

For outer London the increase will be £50.68 and for inner London it will be £52.35.

In addition you will get the thousand pounds for introducing two revisions including the walk sequencing revision. You will also get two years of the colleague share money. Again spare me the spin that this is our money as it was always dependent of the financial state of the company. If this plan does not go ahead then the future of Royal Mail will be in question not in a way of bankrupcy etc but it cannot survive without government assistance if this plan does not go ahead .

Moreover the deal also includes a shorter working week worth 2.5 % for part timers. It also includes improvements in MTSF , protection of full timers when automation is being introduced, a process for dealing with mail centre enclosures, door to door into workload which means the employer has to put into workload and factor hours in on prep and over the ground time. An agreement on standards which we have never had apart from in mail centres, and an agreement on geo route, an agreement process which commits Royal Mail to 1 in 4 Saturdays off and with union involvement all through it and that delivery duties must take stress, fatigue, and safety into account when they agree duties.

Well in my opinion its a no brainer.

Whats the alternative ? Go out and then consult again with members to see why they reject the agreement and then start negotiating again, in the mean time Royal Mail will simply push on with change and attack where they think they wont get any resistance normally the places with the most part timers

[guvenor]

f*** the deal
it is not a deal but a glossy lying piece of rm spin and shite endorsed by cwu
it is only a proposal it is not a deal until we say so who are we we are the union
and dont tell me what i should be doing i can make up my own mind
who is losing in the agreement get a life and dont patronise me or my kind twat
we know what were losing and what were also expected to deal with with workloads etc

[fishtank]

dingo wrote
However if you accept the deal lets have look at what you recieve inclusive of the supplement your pay will go up from £347.61 to £393.73 in the third year. Thats an increase of £46.21 for national rate.

Yes dingo and all we have to give up for this £46.21 pay rise over 4 years is our ESA and our D2D payments....and lift the cap of D2D..it's a no-brainer.

[dvbuk55]

Yes Yes Dingo - everything is great, this deal is wonderful, we are persuaded - but hang on - all this rhetoric is without any substance whatsoever and in year 3 you will be how much better off?

This is just another case of accept this now and it's jam tomorrow - except TOMORROW NEVER COMES. Remember the 50/50 sharing the savings - another deal sold by the union and we got precisely 0 for the two years running AND THEN THE UNION SAID NO MORE SAVINGS.

Should they go to the membership NOW after 4 months annd ask their opinion? Well TBH Dingo its a little bit late, they have unfortunately been surrounded by and advised by the wrong people - who? well....................

Just how many topics are you going to open to sell this agreement?

[Just_My_Opinion]

I don't want their dirty blackmail money.

What's the limit on delivery spans please dingo?

[Just_My_Opinion]

Just how many topics are you going to open to sell this agreement?

[banner18]

f*** the deal
it is not a deal but a glossy lying piece of rm spin and shite endorsed by cwu
it is only a proposal it is not a deal until we say so who are we we are the union
and dont tell me what i should be doing i can make up my own mind
who is losing in the agreement get a life and dont patronise me or my kind twat
we know what were losing and what were also expected to deal with with workloads etc

not very nice!

[spilie]

throwing around alot of these threads dingo, must be a little worried methinks................

[fishtank]

dingo wrote
An agreement on standards which we have never had apart from in mail centres, and an agreement on geo route, an agreement process

Ok let's seem them then and we can decide if they are fair........no didn't think so.

[Just_My_Opinion]

throwing around alot of these threads dingo, must be a little worried methinks................

It's like asking turkeys to vote for Christmas..........

[guvenor]

f*** the deal
it is not a deal but a glossy lying piece of rm spin and shite endorsed by cwu
it is only a proposal it is not a deal until we say so who are we we are the union
and dont tell me what i should be doing i can make up my own mind
who is losing in the agreement get a life and dont patronise me or my kind twat
we know what were losing and what were also expected to deal with with workloads etc

not very nice!

but true

[fishtank]

dingo wrote
Whats the alternative ? Go out and then consult again with members to see why they reject the agreement and then start negotiating again,

[k979aaa]

Forgive me for my ignorance was not the whole objective to achieve a 35 hour working week over five days and £400 outside London and this was five years ago!. Now i know things have moved on but what the hell was objective was it status quo or even a pay rise or just sod it and let royalmail deal with it we made our point (CWU) because that is what it sounds like to me!.

[Just_My_Opinion]

dingo wrote
Whats the alternative ? Go out and then consult again with members to see why they reject the agreement and then start negotiating again,

The CWU can either negotiate around the current deal or watch the cash in their off shore bank accounts drop.........

[dblad]

its crap..will vote no everytime