Pensions and the ballot

[disheartened]

I was lead to believe the union were scheduled a meeting with the goverment about the pension deficit this week,has that meeting taken place? if not time is running out as Mr Brown will have to pop along to see her maj,to ask to disolve parliment,ready for the election.Once parliment is disolved the goverment would be unable to do or make any announcement about filling in that fooooking big black hole.I do believe one of the conditions for agreeing to modernise was that the goverment would look at our pension problem as they are the ones who have been picking away at it in the first place.

A favourable in put from the goverment concerning our pension problem could swing it from a no vote to a yes vote.

Apologies admin,once i posted this,i noticed anther thread roughly on the same subject............

[belle smith]

A favourable in put from the goverment concerning our pension problem could swing it from a no vote to a yes vote.

Not from me it wouldn't!!

[DirtyHarry]

A favourable in put from the goverment concerning our pension problem could swing it from a no vote to a yes vote.

Not from me it wouldn't!!

Nor me, either.
Having our pensions put right shouldn't be dependant on us having to accept worsening conditions of employment.

[steven100]

A favourable in put from the goverment concerning our pension problem could swing it from a no vote to a yes vote.

Not from me it wouldn't!!

Nor me, either.
Having our pensions put right shouldn't be dependant on us having to accept worsening conditions of employment.

If their was a imput of funds to help our pension it could swing a lot people from no to yes, maybe even myself.

[belle smith]

A favourable in put from the goverment concerning our pension problem could swing it from a no vote to a yes vote.

Not from me it wouldn't!!

Nor me, either.
Having our pensions put right shouldn't be dependant on us having to accept worsening conditions of employment.

If their was a imput of funds to help our pension it could swing a lot people from no to yes, maybe even myself.

If thats the case you are being conned.... the goverment will cover the pension deficit, they have to it's in their best intrests! No matter what they say and that is true irrespective of a yes or a no vote!

[dvbuk55]

Yes the pension fund - I believe the original gambit was vote yes and the pension fund would be looked at - however that hasn't been repeated by anyone in authority and there is no sign of the government taking responsibility for the whole or even part of the deficit - the total of which has been delayed, so there is no knowing what the actual deficit is at this stage.

I would also like to see some concrete evidence in a contractual sense that the government will fund the deficit and in case of losing the election steps are taken to make sure that it cannot be rescinded - but hey what am I talking about, I've more chance of winning the Euro Lottery and I don't even buy a ticket.

[belle smith]

Yes the pension fund - I believe the original gambit was vote yes and the pension fund would be looked at - however that hasn't been repeated by anyone in authority and there is no sign of the government taking responsibility for the whole or even part of the deficit - the total of which has been delayed, so there is no knowing what the actual deficit is at this stage.

I would also like to see some concrete evidence in a contractual sense that the government will fund the deficit and in case of losing the election steps are taken to make sure that it cannot be rescinded - but hey what am I talking about, I've more chance of winning the Euro Lottery and I don't even buy a ticket.

Don't panick dvbuk55, Not even the tories would not pay our pension, as i've said before it's in the goverments best intrests, whoever is in goverment, they need the pension part of the PSB more than we do .....trust me.

[dvbuk55]

Yes the pension fund - I believe the original gambit was vote yes and the pension fund would be looked at - however that hasn't been repeated by anyone in authority and there is no sign of the government taking responsibility for the whole or even part of the deficit - the total of which has been delayed, so there is no knowing what the actual deficit is at this stage.

I would also like to see some concrete evidence in a contractual sense that the government will fund the deficit and in case of losing the election steps are taken to make sure that it cannot be rescinded - but hey what am I talking about, I've more chance of winning the Euro Lottery and I don't even buy a ticket.

Don't panick dvbuk55, Not even the tories would not pay our pension, as i've said before it's in the goverments best intrests, whoever is in goverment, they need the pension part of the PSB more than we do .....trust me.

You may be right belle but the price would be privatisation whichever government it is.

[DirtyHarry]

If their was a imput of funds to help our pension it could swing a lot people from no to yes, maybe even myself.

Why? Even if they put right, what they shouldn't have made wrong in the first place as regards our pensions, why would you accept a deal that like all the previous ones since the "way forward", leads to worsening conditions of employment???
At which point do you draw the line in the sand and say, enough is enough?

[k979aaa]

Yes the pension fund - I believe the original gambit was vote yes and the pension fund would be looked at - however that hasn't been repeated by anyone in authority and there is no sign of the government taking responsibility for the whole or even part of the deficit - the total of which has been delayed, so there is no knowing what the actual deficit is at this stage.

I would also like to see some concrete evidence in a contractual sense that the government will fund the deficit and in case of losing the election steps are taken to make sure that it cannot be rescinded - but hey what am I talking about, I've more chance of winning the Euro Lottery and I don't even buy a ticket.

Don't panick dvbuk55, Not even the tories would not pay our pension, as i've said before it's in the goverments best intrests, whoever is in goverment, they need the pension part of the PSB more than we do .....trust me.

Whatever government gets in will slash all final salary pensions and axe 1/5 of all staff in all departments while the government is at arms length from royalmail and our pension has already been raped!. It does not bode well for any pension fund nor anyone who relies on government services or even thinks that the UK government will save the day never mind our pensions for they did not in the first place so i will not hold my breath in waiting for them to do so!.

[belle smith]

Yes the pension fund - I believe the original gambit was vote yes and the pension fund would be looked at - however that hasn't been repeated by anyone in authority and there is no sign of the government taking responsibility for the whole or even part of the deficit - the total of which has been delayed, so there is no knowing what the actual deficit is at this stage.

I would also like to see some concrete evidence in a contractual sense that the government will fund the deficit and in case of losing the election steps are taken to make sure that it cannot be rescinded - but hey what am I talking about, I've more chance of winning the Euro Lottery and I don't even buy a ticket.

Don't panick dvbuk55, Not even the tories would not pay our pension, as i've said before it's in the goverments best intrests, whoever is in goverment, they need the pension part of the PSB more than we do .....trust me.

Whatever government gets in will slash all final salary pensions and axe 1/5 of all staff in all departments while the government is at arms length from royalmail and our pension has already been raped!. It does not bode well for any pension fund nor anyone who relies on government services or even thinks that the UK government will save the day never mind our pensions for they did not in the first place so i will not hold my breath in waiting for them to do so!.

We might be talking at cross purposes here. I am not saying that our final salary scheme will be reintroduced, it wont be. I am saying that the benifits built up in the scheme will be hounerd....i'm not suggesting that which ever goverment will do this because out of generosity but because its in their intrests!

[k979aaa]

Yes the pension fund - I believe the original gambit was vote yes and the pension fund would be looked at - however that hasn't been repeated by anyone in authority and there is no sign of the government taking responsibility for the whole or even part of the deficit - the total of which has been delayed, so there is no knowing what the actual deficit is at this stage.

I would also like to see some concrete evidence in a contractual sense that the government will fund the deficit and in case of losing the election steps are taken to make sure that it cannot be rescinded - but hey what am I talking about, I've more chance of winning the Euro Lottery and I don't even buy a ticket.

Don't panick dvbuk55, Not even the tories would not pay our pension, as i've said before it's in the goverments best intrests, whoever is in goverment, they need the pension part of the PSB more than we do .....trust me.

Whatever government gets in will slash all final salary pensions and axe 1/5 of all staff in all departments while the government is at arms length from royalmail and our pension has already been raped!. It does not bode well for any pension fund nor anyone who relies on government services or even thinks that the UK government will save the day never mind our pensions for they did not in the first place so i will not hold my breath in waiting for them to do so!.

We might be talking at cross purposes here. I am not saying that our final salary scheme will be reintroduced, it wont be. I am saying that the benifits built up in the scheme will be hounerd....i'm not suggesting that which ever goverment will do this because out of generosity but because its in their intrests!

How will it be honored with £168 billion deficit or 11.7 of GDP!. Greece is in the same situation but it bailed out the workers not the bankers after bailing out the bankers do you think we have enough for all the workers or just even us?.

[belle smith]

How will it be honored with £168 billion deficit or 11.7 of GDP!. Greece is in the same situation but it bailed out the workers not the bankers after bailing out the bankers do you think we have enough for all the workers or just even us?.

Because they plan to change the pesion scheme into a 'pay as you go public sector pension scheme'!
That means the current £20billion assets held by RMPP (our pension) would transfer to the goverment. Yes they would then have to pay our pensions out of genral taxation in the future. but over a long period of time.

In effect they owe us £10billion, They agree to pay us what they owe, us as and when we need it, and in the meantime we lend them a further £20billion!
they will do it because IT'S GOOD FOR THEM!!

[k979aaa]

How will it be honored with £168 billion deficit or 11.7 of GDP!. Greece is in the same situation but it bailed out the workers not the bankers after bailing out the bankers do you think we have enough for all the workers or just even us?.

Because they plan to change the pesion scheme into a 'pay as you go public sector pension scheme'!
That means the current £20billion assets held by RMPP (our pension) would transfer to the goverment. Yes they would then have to pay our pensions out of genral taxation in the future. but over a long period of time.

In effect they owe us £10billion, They agree to pay us what they owe, us as and when we need it, and in the meantime we lend them a further £20billion!
they will do it because IT'S GOOD FOR THEM!!

I am sure they would jump at the chance but that is no guarantee of receiving your pension at the end of the day here is the state of the nation as it stands http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8589156.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; this is not a good omen for all in our nation!.

[belle smith]

How will it be honored with £168 billion deficit or 11.7 of GDP!. Greece is in the same situation but it bailed out the workers not the bankers after bailing out the bankers do you think we have enough for all the workers or just even us?.

Because they plan to change the pesion scheme into a 'pay as you go public sector pension scheme'!
That means the current £20billion assets held by RMPP (our pension) would transfer to the goverment. Yes they would then have to pay our pensions out of genral taxation in the future. but over a long period of time.

In effect they owe us £10billion, They agree to pay us what they owe, us as and when we need it, and in the meantime we lend them a further £20billion!
they will do it because IT'S GOOD FOR THEM!!

I am sure they would jump at the chance but that is no guarantee of receiving your pension at the end of the day here is the state of the nation as it stands http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8589156.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; this is not a good omen for all in our nation!.

is your point that a under a goverment gaurentee we will not receive our pension, because the country is about to be declared bankrupt. that might be news to everyone with a public sector pension, including MP's.

We are not quite the wiemar republic yet.

If you are afraid of that it's a bit odd that your unhappy that 'bankers have been bailed' out. For the record the quickest route to mass unemployment (50% and more) and a depression is a collapsed fianancial system. Thats why the goverment bailed out the banks, it wasn't for the benifit of the bankers.