Sequencing machines a disaster??

[gman]

Do these machines save any real time for anybody, or just the casuals n reserves who aren't on a duty from day to day??

[jaylime]

I have to be honest I think there great it takes half the time to throw a box of mail off now,what they need now is a big furnace to burn all the packets.

[kingtubby]

...or just the casuals n reserves who aren't on a duty from day to day??

You've answered your own question. These machines are here to make it easier for RM to employ part-timers on short-term contracts.

[lazyjack]

I realy do fear the worst once these machines are up and running in each office, Every office will be decimated

[pickaname]

I realy do fear the worst once these machines are up and running in each office, Every office will be decimated

Nah...we tested them and they were cack; although some offices have reported success.

Loads of miss sorts/ unsequenced mail and it took forever, past 11am one day, for the mail to get off the machines.

They were dumped after 3 days.

RM would have to move start times much much later than 7. If theres a cock up (and lets be honest, there will be) the mail wont be going out. end of

I think its a massive insustrial gamble what RM are doing with modernisation. It has to happen, but im not convinced the top dogs are the people we can trust to make this happen.

[Tman]

Nah...we tested them and they were cack; although some offices have reported success.
Loads of miss sorts/ unsequenced mail and it took forever, past 11am one day, for the mail to get off the machines.
They were dumped after 3 days.

In those classic words- "oh no you didn't".

Your office did a trial on the existing NP4000s, but the trial was abandoned after three days as it was impacting too much on the late shift, ie, the early shift I/W mail wasn't being run due to this trial. The alleged missorts were down to the inexperience of the operators and managers rather than the machines.
So they weren't "dumped"

But your statement still bears no relation to the CSS machines coming in, which are purpose-made for this job.
Just like the recent poster commenting in-depth on the WCM when he wasn't involved, canteen gossip can't be relied upon....

[numan]

We now have the machines, on my own walk they only save me 10-15 mins max, obviously more when throwing off walks you're not as familiar with. However, when the later batches arrive and the frames are getting quite full, the time saved is negligible. As has already been mentioned on here, throwing off the top row continuously is a real pain and I can see a few RSI cases on the horizon.

[Straight4ward]

Have been pretty impressed by WSM so far. The first arrival (RM's stated target 60%) can be thrown off very quickly and probably saves somewhere between 10 - 15 minutes depending on how familiar you are with the frame.

I don't find the second/last arrival so good. By then you've thrown everything else off and with the frame being packed it's quite difficult to get the letters in and in the right place.

Regarding the reliability of the service from the mail centre, again impressed. We did have a couple of times when it went pear shaped but that was in the early days and we've now been 'trialing' it for around 9 months. So if anyone from Gatwick Mail Centre is looking in, then thanks guys - job well done.

[itllnottouchyou]

it takes about 10 mins to throw each D2D into the frame how we going to get on throwing in 5 or 6 also our DOM says our office is so far from the mail centre that we wont get walk seq all this in your daily workload

[postmanplod69]

In my office we have them and in my area we have 17 postcodes, 5 in our office then 12 sub areas so what we find is because the subs are anything between 4 and 20 miles away they have to have their mail put through the machines first then ours get put on, on my sector of 24 duties(20 walks 4 drivers) they come off the machines in groups of 8 duties at a time, the walk next to me one day last week got his mail 45 minutes before i got mine and on the same day another part of my sector got two lots of mech off the machine before i even had my first lot (eventually turned up at 9.20am) Royal mail are desperate for this agreement to go through because most of my office is waiting for the final lot of mail of the machines after the ips has finished, the only good thing i can say about them is that all the people who go in early are wasting their time

[k979aaa]

In my office we have them and in my area we have 17 postcodes, 5 in our office then 12 sub areas so what we find is because the subs are anything between 4 and 20 miles away they have to have their mail put through the machines first then ours get put on, on my sector of 24 duties(20 walks 4 drivers) they come off the machines in groups of 8 duties at a time, the walk next to me one day last week got his mail 45 minutes before i got mine and on the same day another part of my sector got two lots of mech off the machine before i even had my first lot (eventually turned up at 9.20am) Royal mail are desperate for this agreement to go through because most of my office is waiting for the final lot of mail of the machines after the ips has finished, the only good thing i can say about them is that all the people who go in early are wasting their time

Yep they are for they will not Finnish before 3pm or 4pm dependent on location even on Saturday so why do it the only way to cut this is a thirty five hour working week so seven hours a day this is why this agreement is kicked into the long grass and get a NEW AGREEMENT and we get the savings due to us all from the benefit of these machines and not the pain!.

[creedscat]

...or just the casuals n reserves who aren't on a duty from day to day??

You've answered your own question. These machines are here to make it easier for RM to employ part-timers on short-term contracts.

Why? do these machines also prep the frames,do knock downs,re dir's, tie up, weigh pouches then load the van up and finally go out and deliver it all plus all the packets in 4 hours???

[krussel]

...or just the casuals n reserves who aren't on a duty from day to day??

You've answered your own question. These machines are here to make it easier for RM to employ part-timers on short-term contracts.

Why? do these machines also prep the frames,do knock downs,re dir's, tie up, weigh pouches then load the van up and finally go out and deliver it all plus all the packets in 4 hours???

I think he just means it will help someone prep who is not used to the layout of a certain frame. The rest inc delivery etc will be the same

[pickaname]

Nah...we tested them and they were cack; although some offices have reported success.
Loads of miss sorts/ unsequenced mail and it took forever, past 11am one day, for the mail to get off the machines.
They were dumped after 3 days.

In those classic words- "oh no you didn't".

Your office did a trial on the existing NP4000s, but the trial was abandoned after three days as it was impacting too much on the late shift, ie, the early shift I/W mail wasn't being run due to this trial. The alleged missorts were down to the inexperience of the operators and managers rather than the machines.
So they weren't "dumped"

But your statement still bears no relation to the CSS machines coming in, which are purpose-made for this job.
Just like the recent poster commenting in-depth on the WCM when he wasn't involved, canteen gossip can't be relied upon....

Lies...your werent there so you dont know.

[Tman]

Lies...your werent there so you dont know.

Oh I know about it alright, or don't you think the results of trials (good or bad) gets around?
You weren't there either, not being Processing, so I wouldn't dig an even deeper hole by making accusations of lying, if I were you.
Presenting gossip and hear-say as the truth, now that could be construed as lying....