My union rep thinks that D2D's should be prepped on own time

[cyberheater]

Is that right? He tells everyone that.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Is that right? He tells everyone that.

No - we have loads of threads on this

[BELIAL]

My GS insists we don't get paid for them

[Steviea34]

Is that right? He tells everyone that.

No - we have loads of threads on this

READ THE ABOVE, then surely -

Therein lies a problem, if you are saying it is done in duty time, then the agreement gains nothing from
it being in workload as in theory it already is

[banner18]

Haha, wonder which manager will be the first to say, D2D prep time was in duty before so why do any of you need extra time to do your D2D now after this agreement?

[Steviea34]

Haha, wonder which manager will be the first to say, D2D prep time was in duty before so why do any of you need extra time to do your D2D now after this agreement?

My point exactly, would hope the CWU have already thought/covered this off though, unless i have misread the agreement

[coxie]

door to doors are still done in duty time now, just that in the new agreement that will be more cemented. If door to doors are overtime then tell your manager they have to be optional, it is illegal to force overtime on somebody over their contracted hours without their consent. Door to doors are done in duty time now and always will be, either your manager knows this and is just trying it on or he doesnt know this in which case he is crap at his job.

[Steviea34]

door to doors are still done in duty time now, just that in the new agreement that will be more cemented. If door to doors are overtime then tell your manager they have to be optional, it is illegal to force overtime on somebody over their contracted hours without their consent. Door to doors are done in duty time now and always will be, either your manager knows this and is just trying it on or he doesnt know this in which case he is crap at his job.

Cemented or not, it's either workload now or not, simple as that,
if afraid we won't have it bothways

[jockstrapp]

Is that right? He tells everyone that.

Your manager like most managers is a PR!CK.

[BELIAL]

door to doors are still done in duty time now, just that in the new agreement that will be more cemented. If door to doors are overtime then tell your manager they have to be optional, it is illegal to force overtime on somebody over their contracted hours without their consent. Door to doors are done in duty time now and always will be, either your manager knows this and is just trying it on or he doesnt know this in which case he is crap at his job.

Cemented or not, it's either workload now or not, simple as that,
if afraid we won't have it bothways

So there never was a D2d fairy, and it always was workload

[cyberheater]

Is that right? He tells everyone that.

No - we have loads of threads on this

Okay. I've printed off the Revised Agreement on Door to Door Arrangements and will be showing him and everyone else today. I'll let you know how I get on.
It hacks me off no end. So obviously, prepping door to doors hasn't been including in the calculations of normal prep time. No wonder we can't get our frames prepped in time.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Is that right? He tells everyone that.

No - we have loads of threads on this

READ THE ABOVE, then surely -

Therein lies a problem, if you are saying it is done in duty time, then the agreement gains nothing from
it being in workload as in theory it already is

Nope this is a misconception or misunderstanding that keeps copping up.

At present before the new deal, D2D are done in work time as per the D2D agreement, various emails and RMs own prepare for delivery document (all on here) but they are not counted in traffic, or taken account of in Pegasus, and in some Units not part of the prep tests (agreed and unagreed).

When or if the new agreement goes through then the change is that they will be recorded in traffic, and revisions, pegasus and any testing HAVE to take them into account.

There is no change in the Policy of doing them during work time (except you can claim, with approval, if D2D take you over your finish time) but there is a change in the various admin processes.

[banner18]

So there should be time to prep them in the future as opposed to now, where there is no time to prep them?

[TrueBlueTerrier]

So there should be time to prep them in the future as opposed to now, where there is no time to prep them?

Yes although time should be built into the duty now as per the D2D agreement but usually its not.

[cyberheater]

Well. I had a discussion with my manager and our union rep and they both maintain that D2D are to prepped in your own time.

How can I get it though there thick heads that that's wrong. Any ideas?