glasgow meeting

[joeboy]

just back from a meeting in glasgow with dave ward and bob gibson, what a fantastic presentation bob gibson gave, I went in there with a closed mind, that this deal was a bad deal for posties, but boy did I get a wake up call, d2d into workload saves f/t jobs when mail volumes are declining globally, fact, d2d could cease in a few years, we could lose them to TNT etc etc, this deal gaurantees money into basic pay, we will be at the forefront of change now, not having it imposed, managers have to toe the line, they cannot behave like they use to, of all the people in the hall, there was only one desenting voice, I found that quite remarkable, I will be recommending my colleagues to vote yes.

[Godric]

just back from a meeting in glasgow with dave ward and bob gibson, what a fantastic presentation bob gibson gave, I went in there with a closed mind, that this deal was a bad deal for posties, but boy did I get a wake up call, d2d into workload saves f/t jobs when mail volumes are declining globally, fact, d2d could cease in a few years, we could lose them to TNT etc etc, this deal gaurantees money into basic pay, we will be at the forefront of change now, not having it imposed, managers have to toe the line, they cannot behave like they use to, of all the people in the hall, there was only one desenting voice, I found that quite remarkable, I will be recommending my colleagues to vote yes.

bob gibson could present the deal as the greatest thing since slice bread ..... and i still will be voting no

[guvenor]

how many was at meeting 2 of you grow a pair and give me peace
i wouldn,t believe any of it#
give the d2dustbins to tnt ffs we deliver them for tnt already waken up and smell the coffee

[Biker Mouse]

just back from a meeting in glasgow with dave ward and bob gibson, what a fantastic presentation bob gibson gave, I went in there with a closed mind, that this deal was a bad deal for posties, but boy did I get a wake up call, d2d into workload saves f/t jobs when mail volumes are declining globally, fact, d2d could cease in a few years, we could lose them to TNT etc etc, this deal gaurantees money into basic pay, we will be at the forefront of change now, not having it imposed, managers have to toe the line, they cannot behave like they use to, of all the people in the hall, there was only one desenting voice, I found that quite remarkable, I will be recommending my colleagues to vote yes.

Paul McKenna must have been standing behind Bob Gibson.............."look into my eyes, not around them, into them....you are feeling sleepy!"

[djchrisc]

d2d into workload saves f/t jobs when mail volumes are declining globally, fact, d2d could cease in a few years, we could lose them to TNT etc etc, this deal gaurantees money into basic pay

I'm all for saving full time jobs, but at what expense to part-timers, with the pro-rata debate ongoing.
I've been part-time for 8 long years, and dont ever see this changing in the future, no matter what 75/25 % is in the agreement.
The D2D I'm delivering this week have TNT printed all over the box, so I don't think we will ever lose out on D2D items, as we will still be the best final mile delivery option.

[DirtyHarry]

just back from a meeting in glasgow with dave ward and bob gibson, what a fantastic presentation bob gibson gave, I went in there with a closed mind, that this deal was a bad deal for posties, but boy did I get a wake up call, d2d into workload saves f/t jobs when mail volumes are declining globally, fact, d2d could cease in a few years, we could lose them to TNT etc etc, this deal gaurantees money into basic pay, we will be at the forefront of change now, not having it imposed, managers have to toe the line, they cannot behave like they use to, of all the people in the hall, there was only one desenting voice, I found that quite remarkable, I will be recommending my colleagues to vote yes.

I'm not as gullible as some, I will recommend, and vote, NO.

[lovejoy]

just back from a meeting in glasgow with dave ward and bob gibson, what a fantastic presentation bob gibson gave, I went in there with a closed mind, that this deal was a bad deal for posties, but boy did I get a wake up call, d2d into workload saves f/t jobs when mail volumes are declining globally, fact, d2d could cease in a few years, we could lose them to TNT etc etc, this deal gaurantees money into basic pay, we will be at the forefront of change now, not having it imposed, managers have to toe the line, they cannot behave like they use to, of all the people in the hall, there was only one desenting voice, I found that quite remarkable, I will be recommending my colleagues to vote yes.

Thats what its all about....... having the debate for real not from behind a computer!

[laudrup11]

I was there also, and while I was impressed by both Ward and Gibson's presentations, there are still holes in a couple of their arguments IMO.
Average number of D2D across country 'only two' according to Bob because in some areas there are none.(ie Highlands of Scotland because firms dont advertise there, and London because quality is so bad). The problem for me is that these areas will STILL see none, or very few, whereas the areas that get 3 every week will get slaughtered. Going on about a huge 'untapped market' and 'being on a level playing field with TNT' is all well and good but tell that to the troops when 5, 6, god knows how many are coming in and we're getting 20 quid a week including ESA.
The question put to them about selling out on longer Saturdays was swept aside also, the mantra being that everyone will be jumping through hoops to get their 1 in 4 and 'most deliveries will finish by 14.30' Cheers, Bob that leaves me half an hour to get to the football.
Money part -good. SWW- good. CWU involvement in all parts of revision activity -good.
But voting for a pay cut? Hmmmm.

[guvenor]

correct totally subsidising the competition
if it wasn,t for us posties how many competition ha ha companies would be screwed
its all one big political game for investors directors etc waiting to carve us up
were going to be donkeys for all other firms
we wont have mail centres prob sell them off to tnt ukmail dhl cheap labour to sort and prep
pass it on to pt workforce dumbed down and in eventual decline to min wage standards
thats what your voting on folks
dont believe the hype they throw at you
its all desperate measures from corrupt gvmt ,mgmt and union
the bed will collapse with all the weight in it

[Godric]

just back from a meeting in glasgow with dave ward and bob gibson, what a fantastic presentation bob gibson gave, I went in there with a closed mind, that this deal was a bad deal for posties, but boy did I get a wake up call, d2d into workload saves f/t jobs when mail volumes are declining globally, fact, d2d could cease in a few years, we could lose them to TNT etc etc, this deal gaurantees money into basic pay, we will be at the forefront of change now, not having it imposed, managers have to toe the line, they cannot behave like they use to, of all the people in the hall, there was only one desenting voice, I found that quite remarkable, I will be recommending my colleagues to vote yes.

I'm not as gullible as some, I will recommend, and vote, NO.

i'm with you harry and i know our unit rep is of the same opinion as me

[chewi]

just back from a meeting in glasgow with dave ward and bob gibson, what a fantastic presentation bob gibson gave, I went in there with a closed mind, that this deal was a bad deal for posties, but boy did I get a wake up call, d2d into workload saves f/t jobs when mail volumes are declining globally, fact, d2d could cease in a few years, we could lose them to TNT etc etc, this deal gaurantees money into basic pay, we will be at the forefront of change now, not having it imposed, managers have to toe the line, they cannot behave like they use to, of all the people in the hall, there was only one desenting voice, I found that quite remarkable, I will be recommending my colleagues to vote yes.

Paul McKenna must have been standing behind Bob Gibson.............."look into my eyes, not around them, into them....you are feeling sleepy!"

copyright to me check back posts (my lawyers will be in touch with yours)


don't vote yes for less

[belle smith]

I'm all for saving full time jobs, but at what expense to part-timers, with the pro-rata debate ongoing.
I've been part-time for 8 long years, and dont ever see this changing in the future, no matter what 75/25 % is in the agreement.
The D2D I'm delivering this week have TNT printed all over the box, so I don't think we will ever lose out on D2D items, as we will still be the best final mile delivery option.

I don't see us losing d2d either....if that where a serious consideration, it's odd that the agreement lifts the 3 a week limt....without agreement = no D2D with agreement = 4, 5 or 6. Thats completely contadictry and makes no sense what so ever! other than as a sales pitch.

ps. nice to see CWU making a big noise about declining volume. Pherhaps they could explain why we keep getting loads of letters mixed in with our flats.

[NewPostieUK]

d2d into workload saves f/t jobs when mail volumes are declining globally

How exactly does this save jobs? Door to Doors are already part of the workload. EXTRA work saves jobs, so I'm all for that, even if it's those dreaded Door to Doors, which I hate. If doing twice as many Door to Doors adds hours to offices, I'm all for it, but for heavens sake, PAY US FAIRLY FOR DOING THEM!

VOTE NO!

[lovejoy]

I was there also, and while I was impressed by both Ward and Gibson's presentations, there are still holes in a couple of their arguments IMO.
Average number of D2D across country 'only two' according to Bob because in some areas there are none.(ie Highlands of Scotland because firms dont advertise there, and London because quality is so bad). The problem for me is that these areas will STILL see none, or very few, whereas the areas that get 3 every week will get slaughtered. Going on about a huge 'untapped market' and 'being on a level playing field with TNT' is all well and good but tell that to the troops when 5, 6, god knows how many are coming in and we're getting 20 quid a week including ESA.
The question put to them about selling out on longer Saturdays was swept aside also, the mantra being that everyone will be jumping through hoops to get their 1 in 4 and 'most deliveries will finish by 14.30' Cheers, Bob that leaves me half an hour to get to the football.
Money part -good. SWW- good. CWU involvement in all parts of revision activity -good.
But voting for a pay cut? Hmmmm.

Did you express your opinion about the holes in the arguments?

[Godric]

I was there also, and while I was impressed by both Ward and Gibson's presentations, there are still holes in a couple of their arguments IMO.
Average number of D2D across country 'only two' according to Bob because in some areas there are none.(ie Highlands of Scotland because firms dont advertise there, and London because quality is so bad). The problem for me is that these areas will STILL see none, or very few, whereas the areas that get 3 every week will get slaughtered. Going on about a huge 'untapped market' and 'being on a level playing field with TNT' is all well and good but tell that to the troops when 5, 6, god knows how many are coming in and we're getting 20 quid a week including ESA.
The question put to them about selling out on longer Saturdays was swept aside also, the mantra being that everyone will be jumping through hoops to get their 1 in 4 and 'most deliveries will finish by 14.30' Cheers, Bob that leaves me half an hour to get to the football.
Money part -good. SWW- good. CWU involvement in all parts of revision activity -good.
But voting for a pay cut? Hmmmm.

Did you express your opinion about the holes in the arguments?

Tarfu if you think this is a deal worth voting for .... vote no it makes sense