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Pegasus/Geo Route
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POSTMAN
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Pegasus/Geo Route
All i want to know is what will the call rates be,oh and the other bits to it as well?
What has been agreed/discussed?
Don't want another thread on D2D but what with this timed one........
What has been agreed/discussed?
Don't want another thread on D2D but what with this timed one........
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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Ahebban
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Re: Pegasus/Geo Route
The Indoor and Outdoor Tools are still subject to further discussion. Much new stuff has been brought into the equation, e.g. D2D into workload, use of HCTs, CDVs, pre-walk sequencing duties, post-walk sequencing deliveries.
The life and work of Office Reps will bring much pressure onto them, so the promised 'help' had better be in place when needed.
The life and work of Office Reps will bring much pressure onto them, so the promised 'help' had better be in place when needed.
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kendo1
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Re: Pegasus/Geo Route
I am with Postmanon this.
I/We went on strike for a fair acheivable workload.
Leaving the financial implications out of this deal,to my way of thinking with Park and loop together with this new deal we could or will be delivering
the following every day including Saturdays.
At least 1 or more D2D to every house(except the small number of opt outs,if any)
Oversize packets,
Oversize specials,
Everything else.
In my office mail volume signs are increasing not decreasing so as busy as everbeen just on the mail side,then the explosion of packets and increasding number of specials and recoreded and now tracked items.
The duty srtucture Offficialy has to allow traveliing time,and replenishment.
Also ,I beleive you will brake your delivery into 2 and go back to the office for a brake and replenishment,given the small capacity of these new vans .
This is quite a task.For this to be acheivable ,by doing the job the corrrect way and without running around like a headless chicken,The call rate sholud be a 100% meaning the walks cannot get any bigger,(Posibly even smaller )especialy with the growth in home Shopping = packets.
But I cant see RM leaving the walks as they are,and dingo says something that D2D to every house =callrate about 88% I think.
Think the official answer like everything is its down to local agreement.
Before you can judge this agreement we should be told the full info so you can make a balanced desicion.
Unlikely to happen else it would be in the agreement somewhere.
But we will now have a delivery enabler,wich should make all the difference,and can magic the work load into a manageble amounts,I AM SO GLAD THE CWU FOUND A DELIVERY ENABLER,AFTER ALL THIS TIME!.
I/We went on strike for a fair acheivable workload.
Leaving the financial implications out of this deal,to my way of thinking with Park and loop together with this new deal we could or will be delivering
the following every day including Saturdays.
At least 1 or more D2D to every house(except the small number of opt outs,if any)
Oversize packets,
Oversize specials,
Everything else.
In my office mail volume signs are increasing not decreasing so as busy as everbeen just on the mail side,then the explosion of packets and increasding number of specials and recoreded and now tracked items.
The duty srtucture Offficialy has to allow traveliing time,and replenishment.
Also ,I beleive you will brake your delivery into 2 and go back to the office for a brake and replenishment,given the small capacity of these new vans .
This is quite a task.For this to be acheivable ,by doing the job the corrrect way and without running around like a headless chicken,The call rate sholud be a 100% meaning the walks cannot get any bigger,(Posibly even smaller )especialy with the growth in home Shopping = packets.
But I cant see RM leaving the walks as they are,and dingo says something that D2D to every house =callrate about 88% I think.
Think the official answer like everything is its down to local agreement.
Before you can judge this agreement we should be told the full info so you can make a balanced desicion.
Unlikely to happen else it would be in the agreement somewhere.
But we will now have a delivery enabler,wich should make all the difference,and can magic the work load into a manageble amounts,I AM SO GLAD THE CWU FOUND A DELIVERY ENABLER,AFTER ALL THIS TIME!.
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Big Daz
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Re: Pegasus/Geo Route
The members at my D.O want to know how the 1 in 4 saturdays off will work, as yet that info has not been sent out to reps, but is due to be sent.
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kendo1
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Re: Pegasus/Geo Route
What you need is a enabler,then you would fully understand this agreement.
Ask the CWU HQ for 1
Ask the CWU HQ for 1
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TrueBlueTerrier
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Re: Pegasus/Geo Route
No not the return of the Enablers (as per P&M) RUNkendo1 wrote:What you need is a enabler,then you would fully understand this agreement.
Ask the CWU HQ for 1

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realmichael
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Re: Pegasus/Geo Route
as ever the devil will be in the detail, the question for me is will we see the detail before we vote i.e. time given for attendence times,walk speed,toilet breaks,human contact etc......
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Martin Walsh
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Re: Pegasus/Geo Route
The aim is to give all offices the following and progress has been made.
1. Agreed guidelines on CDVs and delivery methods.
2. Menu of options for improved attendances. ( this will be reviewed to ensure that the workplan delivers these improved attendances there are not get out clauses )
3. Agreed standards. Workshops are planned.
4. Agreed standards on geo route. Royal Mail under geo route 2008 have done their normal and adjusted down the walking speed to 2.5 MPH and increased times for attendance calls but had down dialled other aspects of the planning value meaning that there is often a cost netural of a negative effect from this new geo route package. The union is alive to these and will be going through the planning values and making sure they are realistic. Previously Royal Mail would have just introduced this system without any union imput.
5. Other aspects of how to introduce this agreement will also be sent out.
1. Agreed guidelines on CDVs and delivery methods.
2. Menu of options for improved attendances. ( this will be reviewed to ensure that the workplan delivers these improved attendances there are not get out clauses )
3. Agreed standards. Workshops are planned.
4. Agreed standards on geo route. Royal Mail under geo route 2008 have done their normal and adjusted down the walking speed to 2.5 MPH and increased times for attendance calls but had down dialled other aspects of the planning value meaning that there is often a cost netural of a negative effect from this new geo route package. The union is alive to these and will be going through the planning values and making sure they are realistic. Previously Royal Mail would have just introduced this system without any union imput.
5. Other aspects of how to introduce this agreement will also be sent out.
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mcboing boing
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Re: Pegasus/Geo Route
Thanks for that Dingo, can you answer whether this info will be sent out before the voting papers or after it has been voted on?dingo wrote:The aim is to give all offices the following and progress has been made.
1. Agreed guidelines on CDVs and delivery methods.
2. Menu of options for improved attendances. ( this will be reviewed to ensure that the workplan delivers these improved attendances there are not get out clauses )
3. Agreed standards. Workshops are planned.
4. Agreed standards on geo route. Royal Mail under geo route 2008 have done their normal and adjusted down the walking speed to 2.5 MPH and increased times for attendance calls but had down dialled other aspects of the planning value meaning that there is often a cost netural of a negative effect from this new geo route package. The union is alive to these and will be going through the planning values and making sure they are realistic. Previously Royal Mail would have just introduced this system without any union imput.
5. Other aspects of how to introduce this agreement will also be sent out.
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celerycelery
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Re: Pegasus/Geo Route
We were told to achieve this staff working the saturday would have to do say a walk and 1/6th to cover the extra staff having saturday off. Makes sense i suppose as we will be working a full day on the saturday if we vote yes.Big Daz wrote:The members at my D.O want to know how the 1 in 4 saturdays off will work, as yet that info has not been sent out to reps, but is due to be sent.
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BELIAL
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Re: Pegasus/Geo Route
Have you had a bang on the head?dingo wrote:The aim is to give all offices the following and progress has been made.
1. Agreed guidelines on CDVs and delivery methods.
2. Menu of options for improved attendances. ( this will be reviewed to ensure that the workplan delivers these improved attendances there are not get out clauses )
3. Agreed standards. Workshops are planned.
4. Agreed standards on geo route. Royal Mail under geo route 2008 have done their normal and adjusted down the walking speed to 2.5 MPH and increased times for attendance calls but had down dialled other aspects of the planning value meaning that there is often a cost netural of a negative effect from this new geo route package. The union is alive to these and will be going through the planning values and making sure they are realistic. Previously Royal Mail would have just introduced this system without any union imput.
5. Other aspects of how to introduce this agreement will also be sent out.
Bye
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mcboing boing
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Re: Pegasus/Geo Route
mcboing boing wrote:Thanks for that Dingo, can you answer whether this info will be sent out before the voting papers or after it has been voted on?dingo wrote:The aim is to give all offices the following and progress has been made.
1. Agreed guidelines on CDVs and delivery methods.
2. Menu of options for improved attendances. ( this will be reviewed to ensure that the workplan delivers these improved attendances there are not get out clauses )
3. Agreed standards. Workshops are planned.
4. Agreed standards on geo route. Royal Mail under geo route 2008 have done their normal and adjusted down the walking speed to 2.5 MPH and increased times for attendance calls but had down dialled other aspects of the planning value meaning that there is often a cost netural of a negative effect from this new geo route package. The union is alive to these and will be going through the planning values and making sure they are realistic. Previously Royal Mail would have just introduced this system without any union imput.
5. Other aspects of how to introduce this agreement will also be sent out.
Same question Dingo.![]()
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Spedley
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Re: Pegasus/Geo Route
They appear to have removed the 3.5 hour limit on delivery spans (with the implication that they will be shorter).
Being a pessimist this probably means they just won't bother listening if you complain your walk is too large because there will no longer be such a thing as too large.
Being a pessimist this probably means they just won't bother listening if you complain your walk is too large because there will no longer be such a thing as too large.
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Danelectro
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Re: Pegasus/Geo Route
Could you please be a lot clearer on the above,ie: what is the walking speed the CWU have negotiated etc? If there has been no set walking speed etc and its down to local agreement then its hot air and therefore a NO vote is required until the union get an amendment that sorts out this important aspect of workloads-there is only one way of walking and it dosnt vary from area to bloody area.dingo wrote:
4. Agreed standards on geo route. Royal Mail under geo route 2008 have done their normal and adjusted down the walking speed to 2.5 MPH and increased times for attendance calls but had down dialled other aspects of the planning value meaning that there is often a cost netural of a negative effect from this new geo route package.
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POSTMAN
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Re: Pegasus/Geo Route
Dingo,come on man what is it?and increased times for attendance calls
As asked many times on here,with the timed D2D's are we now going to go to 100% call rate.
Timed D2D's could be a big winner for RM,they will no doubt push this very hard,it could very attractive to businesses.
But there is no good my walk being 80 summin % when i will HAVE to call at 100% at times!
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.