WTLL at 8.00 yet certain contracts start at 9am

[Pat Ostman]

Can someone give me some advise please?

We obviously have WTLL at 8.00 but several staff start at 9AM. Where do these people stand as they'll never get to know company policy (for that week). How can you have a team of people who get to attend these sessions, and others who do not.

We are told that the manager must brief the 9AM starters but this NEVER happens, they are always told that "X" is too busy, either that or the drivers spit their dummies out and moan.

Anyone know the official pollicy. They have even tried conducting people via information not learned by not attending these "team briefs"

[DGP1]

In the past 12 months I've been at no more than 6 WTLL sessions (and 2 of those where for the Friends Like these video) and TBH that's still too many, Tuesday is now too heavy because of long and shorts to have them anyway.

[morleyposty]

since joining over a year ago ive never been to a wtll meeting. my start time is 9am and f**k knows what's been said or planned.

[Pat Ostman]

since joining over a year ago ive never been to a wtll meeting. my start time is 9am and f**k knows what's been said or planned.

This is my point, they SHOULD tell all staff their 'policies'. What would happen if you have been conducted for doing something you did not know about because it was a new policy in a team brief. Are the 9.00 staff not part of the 'team?'.

[sevenandseven]

Have them every week. Information read from internal press release. Ask a question that isn't on it and get no answer.
WTLL = Waste Time Learn Little.

[unionjack0]

wtl do we still have those, ares were phased out about 9 months ago occasionally we get a piece of paper land on our frames
with variouse bits of info on.We just put it down to our dom being shy

[Pat Ostman]

I think we are digressing here .

Last week we were told we must sign a new signing on sheet at work. It was a conduct issue not to sign the new sheet, placed in a different location. This was discussed in WTLL. How are the rest of the staff meant to know?

Also, I am trying to prove that the 9AM starts are unworkable, this further demonstrates the point I believe.

So do I have any point at all in this as far as Royal Mail goes? What sort of organisation has meetings meant for the whole workforce with half of it absence from?

Finally, are Part Time workers just not special enough to be invited to these 'team' briefs or does the information only apply to full timers!

[ad0128]

In my first 2.5 years at royal mail I've had around 10 WTL sessions

i'm a 10am start

have no idea what goes on in company, office, union other than rumours i overhear

[robd]

i think the problem stems from contracts being issued by 'personnel' and not from the actual place of work.
These new entrants are handed a contract stating 9.00-2.00,yet the local manager needs you to start before
this.
The WTLL session can be broken down into groups,so in theory there is nothing stopping your DOM from
holding a seperate one for people who arrive at 9.00.
However,two questions,are the part-time staff actually interested in having one?
and is key information being relayed to all staff in terms of a 'daily huddle'?
Your point about what is acheivable within 5 hours is a valid one,the fact that WTLL is recorded as 30mins,would
seriously jepoardise your DOM's ability to lapse on this day.

[DGP1]

and is key information being relayed to all staff in terms of a 'daily huddle'?

[koolkid]

I think the reason that most dom's dont do W.T.L.L session is mainly due to the fact they never know what the hell they are ment to be saying on the "topic of the day". Alway's been the case that in are office, they march in with a printed out email, say there bit, then get to many awkward question's that alway's lead on to other thing's that are going on in the office, and rightfully so the rep alway's look's right and it can be a good tool for the union, seen many people join after hearing them talk crap............

[k979aaa]

You aint missing anything just saving your ears from bullsh!t and rules aimed at full time or permanent staff so don't worry over it just say i was not told anything!.

[red666bear]

In the past 12 months I've been at no more than 6 WTLL sessions (and 2 of those where for the Friends Like these video) and TBH that's still too many, Tuesday is now too heavy because of long and shorts to have them anyway.

If you think Tuesdays are heavy its time to find another job. Lightweight.

[kello22]

In the past 12 months I've been at no more than 6 WTLL sessions (and 2 of those where for the Friends Like these video) and TBH that's still too many, Tuesday is now too heavy because of long and shorts to have them anyway.

If you think Tuesdays are heavy its time to find another job. Lightweight.

He is not saying that is he...tuesday is a short day for him so he aint got time,i am the same,6 hour day,4 and a half hour duty,30 mins break.30 mins travelling time and 30 mins to tie it up.The can shove their work time lying up their ar....

[Pat Ostman]

In the past 12 months I've been at no more than 6 WTLL sessions (and 2 of those where for the Friends Like these video) and TBH that's still too many, Tuesday is now too heavy because of long and shorts to have them anyway.

If you think Tuesdays are heavy its time to find another job. Lightweight.

He is not saying that is he...tuesday is a short day for him so he aint got time,i am the same,6 hour day,4 and a half hour duty,30 mins break.30 mins travelling time and 30 mins to tie it up.The can shove their work time lying up their ar....

I would take the 30M free rest if I was you :-)