notes back

[spoodoo]

Got notes back from 1st stage grievance meeting i had, very angry as a lot of the main points of the grievance against them are missing . Also some of the things thats down on the notes i never said at all! Im off work because of them ,and this is making me worse . I take it i jot down some of the things that werent mentioned in the notes etc and send that back,then wait for a decision . The grievance i have was completely brushed aside really at meeeting ,and i know for a fact they have an obligation to do something about my grievance. Would love someone to message me privately about this matter . What a caring company!

[ashadd]

spoodo ,just pmd you

[Exrep]

Common pratice im afraid in R/M i havnt seen one grievance were the notes have been correct and i can honestly say ive never seen them corrected although they have been handed the errors in the report.

[noggin1969]

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[Wessex]

Isn't recording illegal or at least non-admissable.Anyone know the SP on this ?

[Postie558]

This seems to be endemic within Royal Mail.

A few years back, I was one of several people in our office to be accused of bullying and harassment of a female colleague - falsely, I might add. I think five or six of us were interviewed, and all of us found irregularities in the notes once they were typed up. Not necessarily lies as such, but just written in such a way that what we said was in the wrong context and easy to misconstrue.

My interview was a farce anyway. I was told I was being called in to answer for some of my alleged actions or comments, whereas I was in fact only asked one question of that nature. The rest were all relating to things I might have heard my other co-accused of saying. With hindsight I should have refused to answer those questions on the grounds that I understood I was there to answer just for myself. But it was the first and only time I had been involved in something like that, and as they say, you live and learn.

I didn't find out until after it had been thrown out, and the DOM who ran the investigation and the woman accuser had moved on elsewhere, that someone else from our office returned one day after his delivery to catch the pair of them in a compromising position in one of the interview rooms...says it all really.

[Postie558]

Isn't recording illegal or at least non-admissable.Anyone know the SP on this ?

You could well be correct. My wife is a manager (not in Royal Mail, I hasten to add) and she records any disciplinary interviews she conducts, purely so that the minutes can be typed up word for word. She uses a hidden Dictaphone, and has to use the excuse of a toilet break when the cassette needs turning over! Once the notes have been typed up accurately, the tape is wiped.

[S6 Stroller]

Isn't recording illegal or at least non-admissable.Anyone know the SP on this ?

You could well be correct. My wife is a manager (not in Royal Mail, I hasten to add) and she records any disciplinary interviews she conducts, purely so that the minutes can be typed up word for word. She uses a hidden Dictaphone, and has to use the excuse of a toilet break when the cassette needs turning over! Once the notes have been typed up accurately, the tape is wiped.

On thin ice there I think. I'm pretty certain you can record stuff as long as the other party is made aware of it.

[noggin1969]

Recording the

[smokerjim]

Recording the meeting is illegal unless the other person knows , but at a tribuneral it would be classed as the lesser of two evils if you had evidence of a stitch up or poor management. Also you'll find interviews go better if the manager thinks he may be being recorded.

Absolutely - walk in with a dictaphone, and place it on the desk at the start, any questions from the manager, just say I want to keep good records, so I tape this interview and make any notes I need later......any funny looks from the manager could be quite a giveaway

[Captain Scarlet]

Isn't recording illegal or at least non-admissable.Anyone know the SP on this ?

You could well be correct. My wife is a manager (not in Royal Mail, I hasten to add) and she records any disciplinary interviews she conducts, purely so that the minutes can be typed up word for word. She uses a hidden Dictaphone, and has to use the excuse of a toilet break when the cassette needs turning over! Once the notes have been typed up accurately, the tape is wiped.

On thin ice there I think. I'm pretty certain you can record stuff as long as the other party is made aware of it.

I think you will find this is illegal as the other party must be informed of said practise, have you never seen anyone interviewed by police ffs,I was interviewed many years ago by manager (who is now in a very very high position in RM) and he wanted to do same until I told him it was illegal unless I agreed and guess what, he had to stop the interview, so anyone else in that situation must get it stopped asap

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Actually I think, and this is only my opinion so please check up on the law if you are thinking of recording an interview/meeting, that there has been a misunderstanding of the law as it stands.

Tape recording an interview without the permission or knowledge of the other party is fine as long as the tape itself is not going to be used as evidence. The legal question is not if taping is legal or not, but if the tape itself is admissible as evidence.

I think you are allowed to record a conversation and then transcribe it. What you do with the recording after that I suppose is up to your own conscience.

There is a page that has details on recording telephone conversations and that basically says recording telephone conversation without consent is fine as long as a 3rd party is not going to hear the recording - I think that would be applicable to a meeting where only those present would have a view as to the accuracy of the transcript. http://www.retellrecorders.co.uk/legal/home.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If you are going to record a conversation though please check the legalities before doing so and don't take my view as gospel, I might have it wrong.

[Exrep]

Great idea to dictafone all interviews than no one can say they didnt say somethink that they really did.

If the DOM is informed before the meeting about the dictafone and agrees than this could not be classed as illegal.

I hope ive still got some argos vouchers knocking about.

[Postie558]

Actually I think, and this is only my opinion so please check up on the law if you are thinking of recording an interview/meeting, that there has been a misunderstanding of the law as it stands.

Tape recording an interview without the permission or knowledge of the other party is fine as long as the tape itself is not going to be used as evidence. The legal question is not if taping is legal or not, but if the tape itself is admissible as evidence.

I think you are allowed to record a conversation and then transcribe it. What you do with the recording after that I suppose is up to your own conscience.

There is a page that has details on recording telephone conversations and that basically says recording telephone conversation without consent is fine as long as a 3rd party is not going to hear the recording - I think that would be applicable to a meeting where only those present would have a view as to the accuracy of the transcript. http://www.retellrecorders.co.uk/legal/home.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If you are going to record a conversation though please check the legalities before doing so and don't take my view as gospel, I might have it wrong.

That figures...As I said earlier, my wife records the interview PURELY to type the notes up word for word. The tape is then wiped and not used for anything else.

[brothermagrew]

Hows about:

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