child care issue/ advice needed

[perrygroves]

hi everyone.
wondered if anyone could help me, i'm on the family friendly scheme at work, my child goes to nursery while i'm at work in the morning. he has just come down with a contageous illness in which he has to stay at home. this has come out of the blue and i've been unable to make other arrangments.i will need a couple of days off. where do i stand.do i have to use my annual leave or do they have to give me special leave and if so paid or unpaid and is this classified as a domestic issue ???? any help will be greatful

[noggin1969]

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[Pat Ostman]

they rang the school asking if my woife was indeed working that day, they rang nursery to make sure my little girl was off sick,

ILLEGAL

[perrygroves]

Cheers thanks for all your help.will try my best to get paid special leave.

[Pat Ostman]

Jimmy, was not questioning you just saying what they did breaks all sorts of conducts

[krussel]

These are the same pair of coonts who framed me for wearing no helmet (when id just had a warning for no helmet), when another manager from another office miles away ,was apparently on his day off ,driving around my enclosed estate which is near nothing , and he noticed I wasnt wearing a helmet ! He also noted that he saw around 8 others who all had helmets on. 2 year serious followed.

This is the same DOM who when I got run over by a 7.5 tonne truck , said id be ok to continue working. Who followed me home to see how I was walking. Wrote on my accident report form that I hadnt been to hospital, hadnt been to the docs, wasnt wearing a helmet, and in his opinion I caused the accident on purpose (all wrong) - I was cycling up a main road ,with full load on ,hi viz jacket, he,helmet etc, when a lorry came screaming out a side street and knocked me across the main road. Driver said he couldnt see me coz of parked cars, but admitted it was his fault, gave me his details . Then the DOM rang the driver up and asked him to come in for a chat.Everyone at work said WTF did he do that for ?? Bloke was making a statement on paper, which I could see, saying how it was a complete accident, his fault etc. When the 2 managers in question ushered me out and closed the door. They then had a chat, the driver tore uo his sheet and wrote another one, saying I deffo had no helmet on (why would he say that ??), and that he was unsure how it happened and that I was cycling too fast...

To top it off, about 3 months later our office gets a call asking to speak to me, woman who answered said I was out delivery. Bloke went mental, saying something like " what he still works there?? - your managers assured me he wouldnt be there much longer, due to having lots of time off sick, and having lots of claims in the past, how I was a dodgy so and so" and that if he got 1 more solicitors letter I would need proper time off ,in hospital. Told my manager this and he just said the bloke was trying it on and not to worry !!

Buddy your dom sounds like a real star

[Postie558]

hi everyone.
wondered if anyone could help me, i'm on the family friendly scheme at work, my child goes to nursery while i'm at work in the morning. he has just come down with a contageous illness in which he has to stay at home. this has come out of the blue and i've been unable to make other arrangments.i will need a couple of days off. where do i stand.do i have to use my annual leave or do they have to give me special leave and if so paid or unpaid and is this classified as a domestic issue ???? any help will be greatful

As others have said, it is at the DOM's discretion. Over the years, I've had the odd day here and there for one of the kids being ill or not having childcare, and have always been paid for it. But last Summer, my wife had a major operation. I managed to arrange two weeks of a/l to cover the time she was expected to be in hospital and her first week back at home. But the early recovery was difficult, and the District Nurse (who was coming in to do dressing changes every day) told me in no uncertain terms that my wife wasn't ready to be left in the house alone. So, I rang the DOM and gave him the 'good' news. A while later, he rang back to say I could have an extra week off unpaid. Despite pleading with him, and getting the rep to do the same on my behalf, he refused to be moved, despite me pointing out the financial strain it would put us under with my wife being on SSP.

I guess their idea was that they would 'force' me to come in if I wasn't being paid. Needless to say, I took the time anyway. I didn't think it was too much to ask with the years of service I've got in, clean record etc... It wouldn't have been so bad if they'd compromised and paid me for two or three days...

[REDLETTER]

When my daughter was last ill and had to be kept out of nursery I took a couple of days off and my manager just put it through as special leave which I was paid for. Probably just depends on what sort of guy he is, as far as I know they can't force you to take it out of your annual leave.

Depends on your DOM and your relationship with him/her.

They CANT make you have AL, they HAVE to give you special leave, but they dont have to pay you.

At our place, 2 lads went home to look after sick kids and BOTH got paid special leave. Few weeks later I had to take a day off coz no other childcare, wifes a teacher and had already had 2 days off to look after the little un, and she had to oversee exams so had to go in, they rang the school asking if my woife was indeed working that day, they rang nursery to make sure my little girl was off sick, and they stopped me a days pay, I complained to the rep , especially over the fact the other blokes got paid, and he said it was at the doms discretion

May I add ,the 2 blokes who got paid are now acting managers

WTF!? Surely your wife's work and child's nursery shouldn't be giving that sort of information out?

Certainly not! Why has the DIM got the details of the school and nursery. The information regarding this if it is on you personnel file should only be used in an emergency.

Regarding flexible working - there is no need to show what type of care you are providing see below:


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Proof of parental/caring responsibilities

Employees do not have to give you proof of their caring relationship. Therefore you should accept applications in good faith and make the decision on whether or not to grant a request solely on business grounds.

In addition, an employee does not have to show:

* That the child or adult in question requires any particular level of care. For example, an employee wanting to work flexibly to look after their mother does not have to show that the mother is unable to cope on her own or that she is disabled and qualifies for disability living allowance.
* Why they themselves must provide that care. For example, a father asking for reduced hours in order to care for his child does not have to show why the care cannot be provided by the mother or by somebody else.

If you think that an employee is abusing the right to request, eg they don't have a qualifying relationship with the child or adult in question, you can ask for evidence.

However, under the legislation the employee does not have to provide proof of their relationship or the level of care required. You should make the decision on whether or not you can grant a request based on business grounds rather than the employee's personal circumstances. If you still suspect that the employee is abusing the right, you should use your disciplinary procedures.