urgent advice needed (now been sacked)

[markt68]

hi guys.
here's the story, was issued stage 1 in jan 2009, then had migraines with vertigo which led to a stage 2 on 26 nov 2008 and then had 2 days ill with vertigo caused by migraine in may then 3 days with the same in mid sept. i did have 2 days ill with norovirus on tues 29 jan 2010 and 30 jan 2010.
Heard nothing with regards to a stage 3 until i went to work on the 4 jan 2010???? then was asked by my manager ( loose term ) for a verbal agreement if ok that atos get in touch and now have a telephone consultation tommorow 19 jan 2010. I've had no letter to tell me that i am going on a stage 3.
Is there any agreement as to a time limit with regards the length between stages, usually it's within a few weeks after your'e last sick day.
any advice would be helpful as we have no rep at our office.
mark

[PostieWithTheMostie!]

How can you have 2 days ill on the 29th/30th of this month??? Can you see into the future..?(If so... Are we going on strike again next month? will we get a long overdue payrise?? & will RM be a good company to work for again?? ) lol back to serious things - Stages last a year, can't remember off hand how long the 1st stager last for. Am sure if you explain things to ATOS things will be ok.. just make sure you make them believe that you are willing to work/fit for work & you love your job etc, etc.

[markt68]

sorry, i meant to say 29/30 dec 2009 for the last sick says.

[Stormproof]

How can you be off on the 29th/30th of this month??? Can you see into the future..? Stages last a year well 2nd &3rd ones do, can't remember off hand how long the 1st stager last for.

There is no stage 3, stage 3 is RTU (Reason to urge, why they shouldnt sack you). When you get to that you get sacked, or go back to a clean record.

You don't go back to a clean record if you get off a Stage 3 it gets reverted back to a Stage 2.

[Ahebban]

Correct, Stormproof, been there myself and currently on stage 2 and looking good for the future so far :)

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Stage 1 and 2 are deffo over 12 months. Just not 100% on the number of absences allowed in that period. Almost certain stage 2 is triggered by 4 absences or 14 days in total. RTU is triggered by 2 absences in any 6 month period , or 9 days, possibly 10.

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Stage 1: 4 absences or 14 days in a 12 month period
Stage 2: 2 absences or 10 days in any 6 month period during the next 12 months
Stage 3: 2 absences or 10 days in any 6 month period during the next 12 months

[TrueBlueTerrier]

How can you be off on the 29th/30th of this month??? Can you see into the future..? Stages last a year well 2nd &3rd ones do, can't remember off hand how long the 1st stager last for.

There is no stage 3, stage 3 is RTU (Reason to urge, why they shouldnt sack you). When you get to that you get sacked, or go back to a clean record.

You don't go back to a clean record if you get off a Stage 3 it gets reverted back to a Stage 2.

I stand corrected then. I had an RTU god what must have been 14 years ago now, and the DOM said im going to give you another chance , and I went back to zero. Was also on stage 2, had been off once 3 months previous, and had to go off with cancer for 8 months - expected to come back to RTU but again went back to zero. That was 5 years ago this June, so maybe its changed since then.

Cancer as far as I am aware comes under DDA so they may have discounted it - if they did then you might have cleared all the stages without realising.

[markt68]

Well had the consultation over the fone and the doc was surprised to hear that i had two days off work 29/30 dec 09 as royal mail had written to atos to say that i was still off work. what a joke!!!!!!
Still had no official confirmation about what exactly is happening, am i going to stage 3 or not!!!

[General Mannerheim]

Well had the consultation over the fone and the doc was surprised to hear that i had two days off work 29/30 dec 09 as royal mail had written to atos to say that i was still off work. what a joke!!!!!!
Still had no official confirmation about what exactly is happening, am i going to stage 3 or not!!!

Thats about `standard` with Atos and Royal Mail,wrong information,different diagnosis,incorrect paper work,lies,bullying you name it.

[markt68]

just an update, just had the dreaded stage 3 interview appointment for tues 2 feb, and the letter was dated 20 jan 2010 and it states i have 3 days to write my defence or confirm the appointmen, How the bloody hell can if i only recieved the letter on the 22 jan 2010.
Also my stage 3 was triggered on the 8 sept 2009 and the stage 2 ended on the 26 nov 09 so how can the leave it for 4 months between stage triggered and stage interview.
and i only had 3 days while on the stage 2, looks like another right royal mail stitch up.
according to the atos report i have my migraines with vertigo under control and he believed my illness is genuine but may not be covered under the DDA act but the HSE think otherwise.

[General Mannerheim]

just an update, just had the dreaded stage 3 interview appointment for tues 2 feb, and the letter was dated 20 jan 2010 and it states i have 3 days to write my defence or confirm the appointmen, How the bloody hell can if i only recieved the letter on the 22 jan 2010.
Also my stage 3 was triggered on the 8 sept 2009 and the stage 2 ended on the 26 nov 09 so how can the leave it for 4 months between stage triggered and stage interview.
and i only had 3 days while on the stage 2, looks like another right royal mail stitch up.
according to the atos report i have my migraines with vertigo under control and he believed my illness is genuine but may not be covered under the DDA act but the HSE think otherwise.

How surprising Atos saying that your migraines are `under control` how did they come to this conclusion?
Unfortunately with these idiots they nearly always try and say your NOT covered under the DDA to make life easier for Royal Fail(not that they give a shite even if you ARE DDA )
Are you taking regular medication for them to say your cured?

[markt68]

just an update, just had the dreaded stage 3 interview appointment for tues 2 feb, and the letter was dated 20 jan 2010 and it states i have 3 days to write my defence or confirm the appointmen, How the bloody hell can if i only recieved the letter on the 22 jan 2010.
Also my stage 3 was triggered on the 8 sept 2009 and the stage 2 ended on the 26 nov 09 so how can the leave it for 4 months between stage triggered and stage interview.
and i only had 3 days while on the stage 2, looks like another right royal mail stitch up.
according to the atos report i have my migraines with vertigo under control and he believed my illness is genuine but may not be covered under the DDA act but the HSE think otherwise.

How surprising Atos saying that your migraines are `under control` how did they come to this conclusion?
Unfortunately with these idiots they nearly always try and say your NOT covered under the DDA to make life easier for Royal Fail(not that they give a shite even if you ARE DDA )
Are you taking regular medication for them to say your cured?

i'm trying to control the migraines by several means without medication ( told him that ):
1. trigger foods
2. less stress ( impossible working at here )
3. no skipping meals

what really annoys me is the fact that they have waited 4 months between my last days sick when the stage 3 was triggered till now to inform me and give me 12 days notice for interview, the dim never even gave me the form himself as he left it with the keylocker to pass it on, what a chicken!!!!. he kept hiding when i got back to the office between collections.

[General Mannerheim]

just an update, just had the dreaded stage 3 interview appointment for tues 2 feb, and the letter was dated 20 jan 2010 and it states i have 3 days to write my defence or confirm the appointmen, How the bloody hell can if i only recieved the letter on the 22 jan 2010.
Also my stage 3 was triggered on the 8 sept 2009 and the stage 2 ended on the 26 nov 09 so how can the leave it for 4 months between stage triggered and stage interview.
and i only had 3 days while on the stage 2, looks like another right royal mail stitch up.
according to the atos report i have my migraines with vertigo under control and he believed my illness is genuine but may not be covered under the DDA act but the HSE think otherwise.

How surprising Atos saying that your migraines are `under control` how did they come to this conclusion?
Unfortunately with these idiots they nearly always try and say your NOT covered under the DDA to make life easier for Royal Fail(not that they give a shite even if you ARE DDA )
Are you taking regular medication for them to say your cured?

i'm trying to control the migraines by several means without medication ( told him that ):
1. trigger foods
2. less stress ( impossible working at here )
3. no skipping meals

what really annoys me is the fact that they have waited 4 months between my last days sick when the stage 3 was triggered till now to inform me and give me 12 days notice for interview, the dim never even gave me the form himself as he left it with the keylocker to pass it on, what a chicken!!!!. he kept hiding when i got back to the office between collections.

You see thats where it going wrong with regards the DDA,even if you try different methods to help your condition..you have to be on medication that helps you control your symptoms,I know it`s daft but Atos and indeed the law arn`t interested in you unless your a pill taking zombie.

[markt68]

Well had stage 3 interview yesterday and i'm unsure wether it went well or not!.
we challenged the DDA act as its the effects of my condition rather than the condition itself and the manager who interviewed me is looking into it further, then another meeting when he's made his descision?, so i'm thinking if he decides i'm not DDA i'm out, but stay if i am?. ATOS letter states i may not come under the DDA act?.
What a load of B*ll*cks!!!
I've been kept waiting since 1 october 09 to eventually get the stage 3 as it was triggered on that day now another week to find out.

[markt68]

After 4 weeks of waiting, today had another interview with regards to my stage 3 with an answer.
I have been given SEVEN weeks notice!!! so i guess i will appeal against their totally insane descion as atos seemed to think i wont be covered by the DDA but my doc seemed to think i am, their descion was that i have no underlying medical problem but atos said my condition would be clear within 2 years HOW stupid are these people.

Any know how long the appeal should take. thanks in advance.