appealls

[sharonbar]

how long does it take before you can get an appeall can it be done in a fortnight an do you get the decision there an then

[TrueBlueTerrier]

APPEALS AGAINST DISMISSAL http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... al#p123633" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If the employee wishes to appeal, he/she should tell the manager who imposed the penalty within 3 working days of the written notification of the decision to dismiss. A hearing will normally be arranged within 4 weeks and the employee will be notified in writing of the time, place and manager dealing with the appeal 5 working days or earlier by mutual agreement.

An employee who appeals can be accompanied by their relevant union representative or a colleague from the same work location. The appeal is a re-hearing of the case. If new medical evidence comes to light at the appeal the Appeal Manager may adjourn the hearing to seek the advice of Employee Health Service.

The employee will normally be told of the outcome of the appeal within 5 working days. If there is significant delay the individual will be informed of the reason and likely new date. In all cases the employee will receive a written notification of the decision with reasons.

Dismissals will take effect from the date specified in the dismissal letter. If management is unable to arrange an appeal in a reasonable time, an offer extending the notice period may be made, at management's discretion.

In the event of a successful appeal and consequential reinstatement, continuity of employment will be preserved.

[looking in]

10 weeks fo a guy in our office sharon

[sharonbar]

ive got my appeal date through its next friday so hopefully i can now move on an get it over before xmas but ive not really talked to anyone thats had to go through one before so im a bit nervous does anyone know when you find out if you hav won or lost an if won do you get reinstated straight away an get all your entitlements back an the worse case if you loose will the union rep decided if its worth going to a et as ive been victimised without a dout

[looking in]

the union decide wether to support you sharon,however if they dont its not all lost i know of a guy in my office who took the tribunal himself and won,however you can win and get rewarded your job back and r/mail still dont have to remploy you(i still cant work that out,mind boggling)if uyou do win and r/mail re-instate you ,you will get all lost wages back,you have to fill in a form in the office on your return,hope this helps sharon,ps i know how you feel as iv now been suspended 6 months for nowt.ps i think its about 2 weeks to get the good or bad news,keep your head up girl i know its hard but r/mails game is too break you down...focus and hope r/mail do their usual and foook it up

[La Poste]

however you can win and get rewarded your job back and r/mail still dont have to remploy you(i still cant work that out,mind boggling)

I don't quite get this, how does this work?
I have heard you can win your job back and RM can be difficult and give you a job elsewhere in the business saying your old job is no longer available I have also heard of people winning compo and the company never paying it although this was not RM it was a judgement on a small business.
I would like to know how RM can not give you your job back when a tribunal says they must.
Could someone explain please.
Thanks.

[looking in]

what i heard was they r/mail have a loop hole and they exercise it in most cases,imo this must be challenged by the union either in brittish courts or indeed in the euro court,alas i dont think they will re costs that would be incurred

[TrueBlueTerrier]

http://www.roydens.co.uk/content17.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Order for Reinstatement or Re-engagement

In deciding whether to make an order that the employer should reinstate the employee in the same job or re-engage the employee under a new contract of employment, the tribunal will take into account:

* the employee's wishes;
* whether it is practicable for the employee to return to work for the employer (there may, for example, be circumstances in which it is not practicable because relationships at the work place have been seriously damaged);
* in cases where the employee was partly to blame for the dismissal, whether or not it would be just to make such an order.

Where a tribunal orders the reinstatement or re-engagement of an employee who was dismissed without statutory dismissal and disciplinary procedures having been followed by the employer, and where failure to follow them was wholly or mainly the employer's fault, it will also award four weeks' pay to the employee (unless it considers that this would result in injustice to the employer).

If the employer fails to comply with the terms of an order for reinstatement or re-engagement the tribunal, on being notified of the failure, will make an award of compensation calculated in the ordinary manner provided for in the legislation (subtracting the award of four weeks' pay described in the previous paragraph). Also the tribunal will make an additional award of compensation to be paid by the employer, unless the employer satisfies the tribunal that it was not practicable to comply with the order for reinstatement or re engagement as the case may be.

[hantsman]

however you can win and get rewarded your job back and r/mail still dont have to remploy you(i still cant work that out,mind boggling)

I don't quite get this, how does this work?
I have heard you can win your job back and RM can be difficult and give you a job elsewhere in the business saying your old job is no longer available I have also heard of people winning compo and the company never paying it although this was not RM it was a judgement on a small business.
I would like to know how RM can not give you your job back when a tribunal says they must.
Could someone explain please.
Thanks.

Even if Royal Mail are told/ordered by an ET or an IT they do not have to comply with it, although compensation can or is normally is increased in your favour! They do not like to order the above in bold because of obvious reasons!

[sharonbar]

i just hope i can win my appeal as i have only claimed 1 hour ot but i did work it an there is alot more bad cases than mine its just a very dificult time for me its so unfair

[hantsman]

ive got my appeal date through its next friday so hopefully i can now move on an get it over before xmas but ive not really talked to anyone thats had to go through one before so im a bit nervous does anyone know when you find out if you hav won or lost an if won do you get reinstated straight away an get all your entitlements back an the worse case if you loose will the union rep decided if its worth going to a et as ive been victimised without a dout

Ref the bold sharonbar thats bloody quick from what I have seen, normally they take at least 5 weeks plus!

[sharonbar]

why do you think its turned round quick maybe cause of xmas

[AnotherLimey]

I really hope you win Sharon, While you have found it difficult to express yourself on here you have also come accross as a nice person, a fellow postie being mistreated and sacked on trumped up charges, it's a joke of a company we work for now, such a shame as it was a good job a few years ago.

I have my fingers and toes crossed for you.

[norbert]

however you can win and get rewarded your job back and r/mail still dont have to remploy you(i still cant work that out,mind boggling)

I don't quite get this, how does this work?
I have heard you can win your job back and RM can be difficult and give you a job elsewhere in the business saying your old job is no longer available I have also heard of people winning compo and the company never paying it although this was not RM it was a judgement on a small business.
I would like to know how RM can not give you your job back when a tribunal says they must.
Could someone explain please.
Thanks.

Even if Royal Mail are told/ordered by an ET or an IT they do not have to comply with it, although compensation can or is normally is increased in your favour! They do not like to order the above in bold because of obvious reasons!

Somebody got £65,000 at Warrington RDC but was not reinstated - he'd been sacked as he was in RM's eyes turning a blind eye to another thieving from Wagons - a very dangerous allegation which needs to be proven in the real world outside Planet RM .

" The Voice " went to town on it . There is a PDF of the article in the public domain .

Somebody else from there took RM to tribunal & won having been fit up - he came back to a charge of " Failing to show Dignity & Respect to cage cards " as he threw some up in the air

A RMC member was threatened with B&H for mentioning the sorry saga on here - Orders from very on high ? :cfo

[La Poste]

A RMC member was threatened with B&H for mentioning the sorry saga on here - Orders from very on high ? :cfo

How did RM find out his/her true identity?
Can they find out mine?