Posties not helping the situation

[Kevin Manchester]

Hi I'm Kevin From Manchester, at my office we are going through a revision at the moment, the walks are really long, the guy doing the walks is not taking into consideration meal breaks, bag drops etc, but the main reason we are not helping the situation is this, after last Fridays Strike we had a postie in our office throwing mail off a hour before his start time, and he was getting paid for this, another postie worked his day off to reclaim the strike day money he lost, a part timer came in two hours early to clear the back log,(not getting paid for it) and another postie came in a hour early to do the same, i just wish the union would tell these idiots. STOP coming in early. STOP working your day off, ALWAYS take your breaks. DON'T go over on your walks, Royal Mail is loving this, we are not going to benefit this strike through doing this, we are basically swapping our days off for the strike days, i know we have familys, and christmas is around the corner, but we need to disrupt the buisness a bit more, i spoke to a senior manager the other day and he told me, "this is the most non disruptive strike he hasd ever known" now thats saying something.
if we keep working our day off and claimimg extened, and doing overtime, we may as well go back to work, and i certainley do not agree with the same staff getting paid for the strike days two weeks on the bounce either, the union has cocked this up without realising.

Kevin Manchester.

[oggie]

Hello Kevin,

I work in a voc where we are not allowed the keys to the lorries until our start times, the reason for this is that we are not covered under any insurance until our start time, this should apply in any parts of royal mail, i think the union needs to hammer this home.

[baldrick]

Hi and welcome to rmc Kevin
We've been taking strike action in London for 18 weeks now, and it certainly has had an
effect despite the efforts of hundreds of managers drafted in from all over the UK, diversions
to offices outside London, Agency/casuals, and the opening of the Dartford scab outhouse.
Don't woory about what a manager says to you, it's all part of the RM propaganda.
Stay strong - we will win.

[Kevin Manchester]

Hi Oggie. I have raised this point before about Posties coming in up to hour early, if a overhead board or light falls on them and injures them, RM will be the first to say they should not have been on the premises, the postie won't have case to answer, you might as well talk to a brick wall, than talk to these early birds and the union rep, they won't even take their breaks, its these guys that has ruined offices, they tend to come in early, come back early with up to a hour and half left on their duty in front of managers, is it any wonder RM are trying to make the walks longer, my colleagues are bringing it on themselfs...

Kevin

[merlin1287]

I agree Kevin,postmen are not helping the situation by coming in early to throw walks off.
I have told staff at my office many a time not to do this it but it's like banging your head against a brick wall,they cannot see they are playing into managements hands.
But it's not just about turning up before your shift starts, using cars on delivery,not taking meal breaks,carrying over weight bags ect ect , then they are the first to moan when the walk gets bigger.

Years ago all doors were locked untill 10 minutes before the posties were due on the floor to start the shift,even back then they would be banging on the door to get in.

[goldy]

Hello Kevin,

I work in a voc where we are not allowed the keys to the lorries until our start times, the reason for this is that we are not covered under any insurance until our start time, this should apply in any parts of royal mail, i think the union needs to hammer this home.

Can someone catorgorically confirm that you are not insured until your start time and after your finish time ,if this is so why do the union do nothing about it ?

[greynut]

Hello Kevin,

I work in a voc where we are not allowed the keys to the lorries until our start times, the reason for this is that we are not covered under any insurance until our start time, this should apply in any parts of royal mail, i think the union needs to hammer this home.

Can someone catorgorically confirm that you are not insured until your start time and after your finish time ,if this is so why do the union do nothing about it ?

If a manager says good morning to you and you are standing at your frame throwing off your walk and he does not ask you to wait outside then you are insured. Millions of people walk into their offices early or work a bit later to catch up with their work, and it does not make a jots worth of difference. I simply do not belive this insurance crap.

[The hollow man]

Kevin said -

Hi I'm Kevin From Manchester, at my office we are going through a revision at the moment, the walks are really long, the guy doing the walks is not taking into consideration meal breaks, bag drops etc, but the main reason we are not helping the situation is this, after last Fridays Strike we had a postie in our office throwing mail off a hour before his start time, and he was getting paid for this, another postie worked his day off to reclaim the strike day money he lost, a part timer came in two hours early to clear the back log,(not getting paid for it) and another postie came in a hour early to do the same, i just wish the union would tell these idiots. STOP coming in early. STOP working your day off, ALWAYS take your breaks. DON'T go over on your walks, Royal Mail is loving this, we are not going to benefit this strike through doing this, we are basically swapping our days off for the strike days, i know we have familys, and christmas is around the corner, but we need to disrupt the buisness a bit more, i spoke to a senior manager the other day and he told me, "this is the most non disruptive strike he hasd ever known" now thats saying something.
if we keep working our day off and claimimg extened, and doing overtime, we may as well go back to work, and i certainley do not agree with the same staff getting paid for the strike days two weeks on the bounce either, the union has cocked this up without realising.


Same in our office to Kev, posties working days off, coming in early, using cars. I think it defeats the object of participating in industrial action when all the effort of striking is undone by this fashion.

And it's a waste of time saying anything too, because money and finishing early always seem to hold sway over other issues in our office

[OnAFlyer]

Hello Kevin,

I work in a voc where we are not allowed the keys to the lorries until our start times, the reason for this is that we are not covered under any insurance until our start time, this should apply in any parts of royal mail, i think the union needs to hammer this home.

Can someone catorgorically confirm that you are not insured until your start time and after your finish time ,if this is so why do the union do nothing about it ?

If a manager says good morning to you and you are standing at your frame throwing off your walk and he does not ask you to wait outside then you are insured. Millions of people walk into their offices early or work a bit later to catch up with their work, and it does not make a jots worth of difference. I simply do not belive this insurance crap.

Funny how people keep spouting that you are not insured until your duty time, yet how many people get back to their office AFTER their duty has ended - are they not insured then either? What about working nights at Xmas?

We asked our Union rep and both he and the DOM came back with the answer that you are insured whenever your office is open and you are at work. It doesn't matter if it's early or late. It's the usual myths like the car insurance ones repeated by people who don't drive and have never had the drivers pack.

As for the point about the strike being the most non-disruptive ever I would fully agree - Saturday was busy but we had cleared all the mail by Monday and the rest of this week has been no more busy than normal.

[oggie]

Hello Kevin,

I work in a voc where we are not allowed the keys to the lorries until our start times, the reason for this is that we are not covered under any insurance until our start time, this should apply in any parts of royal mail, i think the union needs to hammer this home.

Can someone catorgorically confirm that you are not insured until your start time and after your finish time ,if this is so why do the union do nothing about it ?

If a manager says good morning to you and you are standing at your frame throwing off your walk and he does not ask you to wait outside then you are insured. Millions of people walk into their offices early or work a bit later to catch up with their work, and it does not make a jots worth of difference. I simply do not belive this insurance crap.

Funny how people keep spouting that you are not insured until your duty time, yet how many people get back to their office AFTER their duty has ended - are they not insured then either? What about working nights at Xmas?

onaflyer, try to get it in writing about the insurance, odds are you cannot, as for the late back to your office, you have already signed on and you should not be signing off until you have finished that may be the next day.therefore claiming the extra on docket or agreeing the time back with your dim. would you really trust royal mail if something happened before your duty start time?

We asked our Union rep and both he and the DOM came back with the answer that you are insured whenever your office is open and you are at work. It doesn't matter if it's early or late. It's the usual myths like the car insurance ones repeated by people who don't drive and have never had the drivers pack.

As for the point about the strike being the most non-disruptive ever I would fully agree - Saturday was busy but we had cleared all the mail by Monday and the rest of this week has been no more busy than normal.

[Dushku2309]

I've always said this and I'll say it again. If one day the Royal Mail said that from now on everyone was to come in forty five minutes early and start work at 5.15am but not get paid until 6.00am - They'd be mass walk outs, posties moaning about taking the piss and saying that they'd start to work to rule.

But they are doing exactly that now. Coming in early, Granted if you've got some where you really have to be such as an airport or court!, then that could be maybe excused from time to time, but to come in everyday forty five minutes early, not take a grace break, meal break and then boast often in ear-shot of both your boss and fellow and often disgruntled co-workers, that you finish at 1pm everyday - Is the reason we have walk lapsing, longer walks and work load that even a Peruvian Mountain Donkey would wince at!!



Heavens to Mugatroyd!

[Turpin]

I've always said this and I'll say it again. If one day the Royal Mail said that from now on everyone was to come in forty five minutes early and start work at 5.15am but not get paid until 6.00am - They'd be mass walk outs, posties moaning about taking the piss and saying that they'd start to work to rule.

But they are doing exactly that now. Coming in early, Granted if you've got some where you really have to be such as an airport or court!, then that could be maybe excused from time to time, but to come in everyday forty five minutes early, not take a grace break, meal break and then boast often in ear-shot of both your boss and fellow and often disgruntled co-workers, that you finish at 1pm everyday - Is the reason we have walk lapsing, longer walks and work load that even a Peruvian Mountain Donkey would wince at!!



Heavens to Mugatroyd!

Well Said " Again My Man"

These People are just well Thick As !

[Darren Bent]

My delivery office have too many people doing that. They think they are clever. I come to work at 6.15 and when I finish throwing them out and ips and loading into the car. I drive there and stop in the car for 15 minutes break before going out.

[Kevin Manchester]

We have had a couple at our office that are in a relationship, she has had a baby thre years ago, she is back now at work so she decided to drop to part time, (Idiot) they both come in at 4 30 am, when her start time is 7 30 am believe it or not, she is fast on delivery, because her walk has boxes at the bottom of apartments, she finishes about 10 am then helps her boyfriend, they both come back to the office at 11.00 to 11.15 am, they have been told numerous times, go home, go to a library, go somewhere, but not back to the office, they just say up yours, we came in early, this is a office where managers hold meetings on a regular basis.

The Girl went sick on the first strike day, he has been one of the lucky ones, where he has been paid the last two strikes, due to his day off rotation, and they do the delivery in their car.
One funny thing, when we had nights in our office, one postie climbed the gates at 2. 30 am one morning trying to get in.
I hope the union do a work to rule next and not up it to two days a week strike, then again it was caused by these early birds in the first place comimg in early and giving royal mail hours for nothing, 5 mornings a week coming in early is £45. 75 to my calculations, then the same posties moan when they have no households...

Kevin Manchester.

[el_cartero]

We have had a couple at our office that are in a relationship, she has had a baby thre years ago, she is back now at work so she decided to drop to part time, (Idiot) they both come in at 4 30 am, when her start time is 7 30 am believe it or not, she is fast on delivery, because her walk has boxes at the bottom of apartments, she finishes about 10 am then helps her boyfriend, they both come back to the office at 11.00 to 11.15 am, they have been told numerous times, go home, go to a library, go somewhere, but not back to the office, they just say up yours, we came in early, this is a office where managers hold meetings on a regular basis.

The Girl went sick on the first strike day, he has been one of the lucky ones, where he has been paid the last two strikes, due to his day off rotation, and they do the delivery in their car.
One funny thing, when we had nights in our office, one postie climbed the gates at 2. 30 am one morning trying to get in.
I hope the union do a work to rule next and not up it to two days a week strike, then again it was caused by these early birds in the first place comimg in early and giving royal mail hours for nothing, 5 mornings a week coming in early is £45. 75 to my calculations, then the same posties moan when they have no households...

Kevin Manchester.

good info mate - god must be awful having a cpl in there like that ! so anooying i bet there righ tup the doms postbox