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jonny2bad
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not in union

Post by jonny2bad »

i am not in the union but will i able to strike on friday without any come back from management ?
PrestwickPostie
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Re: not in union

Post by PrestwickPostie »

i don't know how managment would act, but i would advise you to join the union either via the cwu website or using their hotline
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shedboy
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Post by shedboy »

Only advice I can offer is join the union mate.
Stammerking
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Post by Stammerking »

You do not have to join the union as its a legal balloted action there will be no comeback for your correct action by management.
Richie89
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Post by Richie89 »

I know someone who started a week before the last strike in 2007. He went out with the majority and didnt get any comeback at all. I would recomend you join the union anyway though.
Acca Dacca
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Post by Acca Dacca »

You are legally safe.
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
yokel
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Post by yokel »

I think there is some misunderstanding about this issue, I asked one of my colleagues if he will be striking and he said "No, because he is not in the union" I think some posties believe the strilke has nothing to do with them because they aren't in the union. The word needs to be spread that even if they are not in the union we need their support, and they are safe to give it.
snoopy777
EX ROYAL MAIL
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Post by snoopy777 »

stop..............
any one not involved in the ballot can not vote!
if they refuse to cross the picket line then this is unofficial IA and they could be sacked for unofficial IA (although unlikely!)
but the warning is there.

as always on important things like this people must be sure about what they say ....
snoopy777
EX ROYAL MAIL
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Re: not in union

Post by snoopy777 »

stop..............
any one not involved in the ballot can not strike!
if they refuse to cross the picket line then this is unofficial IA and they could be sacked for unofficial IA (although unlikely!)
but the warning is there.

as always on important things like this people must be sure about what they say ....
Martin Walsh
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Post by Martin Walsh »

Snoopy your wrong a non union member can support the strike and a lot do. It is not considered unofficial action I can assure you. Equally any new members can join the stirke even if they didt vote they are covered by this dispute.
mr hil.
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Post by mr hil. »

You are protected just the same as a union member as long as it is LEGAL ACTION see the quote below from the governments own website.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/ ... /DG_179248
Industrial action by workers who are not trade union members

If you take part in industrial action when you are not a trade union member you are normally treated as taking part in unofficial action. This means that if you are dismissed while taking part in the action you normally have no right to complain of unfair dismissal.

You can still claim if the reason for your dismissal was automatically unfair.

You are treated as taking part in official action if both:

* members of a trade union are taking part in it
* the action is official industrial action taken by their trade union

This means that the law treats you in the same way as it treats trade union members. Your rights if you are dismissed depend on whether the industrial action is protected or unprotected and when you are dismissed.
snoopy777
EX ROYAL MAIL
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Post by snoopy777 »

well rep today showed me some slides from management saying it would be unofficial if they are non cwu members
guess not everything they say is gospel...... but will first part of the things says they can be sacked.
TrueBlueTerrier
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Re: not in union

Post by TrueBlueTerrier »

snoopy777 wrote:well rep today showed me some slides from management saying it would be unofficial if they are non cwu members
guess not everything they say is gospel...... but will first part of the things says they can be sacked.
Any striker can be sacked as long as RM follow the rules and to do that they would have to sack everyone who went on strike. Mail then would not move from now till Christmas 2010 at any reasonable speed.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/ ... /DG_179248" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; - From the GOVERNMENT website.

Being dismissed for taking part in protected industrial action

You will usually be protected against being dismissed for taking part in ‘protected industrial action’.

Industrial action will normally be protected industrial action if it is official action organised by your trade union in-line with the law. It will be organised in that way if:

* the dispute is a trade dispute between workers and their own employer
* a secret postal ballot has been held and the majority of members voting have supported the action
* detailed notice about the action has been given to the employer at least seven days before it commences
* it has been called for by someone in the trade union with proper authority

If you are dismissed for taking industrial action for 12 weeks or less (including a period of just a few hours or days), you will be able to make a claim for unfair dismissal and your dismissal will be unfair. This applies whether you are dismissed while taking part in the action or at any time after you stopped taking part.

When working out whether you have been taking part for 12 weeks or less any lock-out days (when your employer stops you from working) aren't counted.

* Industrial action and trade unions

* Unfair dismissal

If you continue to take part in protected industrial action for more than 12 weeks your rights are different. If you are dismissed for taking part after the end of the 12 weeks your dismissal will only be unfair if, at the time of your dismissal, your employer has not followed reasonable steps to settle the dispute with the trade union.

For example, it may be unfair for your employer to dismiss strikers if your employer has unreasonably refused a request by the trade union to involve a third party to conciliate (help agree) a settlement.
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