People who voted NO in my office?

[RoyalQuest]

Last time we were on industial action there were about 6 who went in, most people didn't speak to them for a while and still some don't now, but others have forgiven and forgot. Today they were in the office trying to rally people to break the strike, telling them that it's great when there's a strike as they don't do any work and don't lose any money, some others have really started lisening to them. Worried that there may even be more going in this time. Our office is still resonablly run at the present with out many problems, trying to get them to realise whats coming but it's like . Any advice/thoughts would be great.

[harry09]

I work in a office where s**t has hit the fan a long time ago.. We have a self confessed NO voter "each to there own" But just today they was in tears that they are so tired they have not had a break for weeks if not months and low and behold Managment want more from them... And i mean they was in tears,

But they was asking our union to help, even though they have tryed to vote the union out... And they will more than likely cross ....
Theres not a great deal you can do apart from laugh at them ......

[tailfly12]

Are office all the workers are going out in strike, the management treat us like s**t. So this is pay back time.

[WHITEANT]

Its the same in our office ,the majority of the lads stay out ,theres a handfull who go in but who cares about them .Id rather stand alongside my mates

[Ahebban]

Yes, we had a handful go in at our office ... most have since left, so they will be fewer this time around ... and i doubt their action will be forgotten or forgiven quite so easily for sure ... there will certainly be calls for any cwu to be expelled, and rightly so!

[andy2007]

I work in a office where s**t has hit the fan a long time ago.. We have a self confessed NO voter "each to there own" But just today they was in tears that they are so tired they have not had a break for weeks if not months and low and behold Managment want more from them... And i mean they was in tears,

But they was asking our union to help, even though they have tryed to vote the union out... And they will more than likely cross ....
Theres not a great deal you can do apart from laugh at them ......

Had the no voter crossed any Picket Lines?
If not. Why the hostility?
The whole point of a Ballot, is to give everyone the opportunity to give THEIR opinion. So long as everyone honours the outcome. Why does it matter which way they voted?
Would you suggest giving those who voted for the Way Forward Agreement a hard time?
Or those who voted for the Pay and Modernisation Agreement?

You said it yourself: "Each to their own". And that's the way it SHOULD be.

[bandit1157]

as long as the no voters abide by the decisions made by the union and do not cross picket lines etc then there is no problem. it's the limp d1cks who couldn't be bothered to vote and then moan about it later that gets on my tits.

[pinstripe]

as long as the no voters abide by the decisions made by the union and do not cross picket lines etc then there is no problem. it's the limp d1cks who couldn't be bothered to vote and then moan about it later that gets on my tits.

Exactly, if someone votes NO, they have their reasons, but they should accept and support the decision of the majority, as we had to do after the 2007 Agreement. The problems occur when people disagree with the decision reached and agreed by the majority and openly oppose it, eg, crossing picket lines or stiring up un-official IA.

[andy2007]

I couldn't agree more Pinstripe!

Although as for unofficial IA. Don't forget: Most of that, was due to RM twisting the agreement, and people fighting THAT. And not the agreement itself.

If however, people stirred up trouble, simply because they disagreed with an agreement voted for by the majority. Then you'd be right to criticise them.

[mr deeds]

i do find myself trying to explain to other staff why we are going on strike (even more than the union rep who dont give a s**t about getting our office staff motivated) but i also find that the thick bast*rds who come in are the first ones to cry when they have to take more...work to fast and skip meal reliefs...so fu*k them i hope the drown under a sea of mail..

bring it on

[pinstripe]

If however, people stirred up trouble, simply because they disagreed with an agreement voted for by the majority. Then you'd be right to criticise them.

Yep, that's what I meant. It's like the 2007 deal, most of us on here opposed it, but accepted the decision by our colleagues.

[looneytoon]

in my office there were a handful of people who went into work and the majority of the rest of us don't speak to them but there are always some people who forgive and forget but that is life :cfo :cfo

[BELIAL]

i do find myself trying to explain to other staff why we are going on strike (even more than the union rep who dont give a s**t about getting our office staff motivated) but i also find that the thick bast*rds who come in are the first ones to cry when they have to take more...work to fast and skip meal reliefs...so fu*k them i hope the drown under a sea of mail..

bring it on

Win win really ain't it ,either we get a fair deal, or you get the perverse gratification of watching the weak minded fools squirm and squeal and suffer as RM turn the screw.
All you can do is try

[brothermagrew]

Yes, we had a handful go in at our office ... most have since left, so they will be fewer this time around ... and i doubt their action will be forgotten or forgiven quite so easily for sure ... there will certainly be calls for any cwu to be expelled, and rightly so!

Not all union discipline is unjustifiable. What matters is the conduct for which the individual is disciplined.

The discipline will be unjustifiable only if the reason, or one of the reasons, for which it is imposed is conduct described in sections A to C below, or something that the union believes to be such conduct.

A - Strike or other industrial action
Discipline will be unjustifiable if it is for:

•failing to take part in or support any strike or other industrial action;
•showing opposition to, or lack of support for, any strike or other industrial action;
•failing to break, for any purpose connected with a strike or other industrial action, any obligation imposed by a contract of employment or by any other agreement between the individual and the person for whom he works;
•encouraging or assisting another person to honour his contract of employment or other agreement with his employer.
The most common examples of conduct for which individuals are protected against unjustifiable discipline are:

•going to work despite a call to take strike or other industrial action (the individual is protected whether or not there has been a ballot and whatever its outcome);
•crossing a picket line, including one mounted by the individual's own union at his own place of work;
•speaking out against a call to take strike or other industrial action;
•refusing to pay a levy to fund a strike or other industrial action, including one described as compulsory, or imposed under union rules.

B - Assertions
Discipline will be unjustifiable if it is for:

•making an assertion that the union, any of its officials, any trustee, or anyone else representing the union has broken or is proposing to break any requirement imposed, or thought to be imposed, by the union's rules, by any other agreement or by the law;
•encouraging or assisting another person to make, defend or vindicate an assertion of the kind just described;
•consulting or seeking advice or assistance from the Certification Officer;
•consulting or seeking advice or assistance from any other person in connection with a matter which forms, or might form, the subject matter of an assertion of the type described in this section.
The protection for making an assertion about a breach of union rules or of the law applies whether or not it has been made in the context of legal proceedings. Individuals will be protected against unjustifiable discipline, therefore, if an assertion is made, for example, during a union meeting or in a letter. Discipline will not be unjustifiable, however, if the assertion was false and the individual making it, or helping another to do so, believed the assertion to be false or otherwise acted in bad faith.

C - Further conduct for which discipline is unjustifiable
The remaining grounds on which union discipline is unjustifiable are:

•refusing to comply with any penalty which has been imposed following disciplinary action which was itself unjustifiable;
•refusing to allow union subscriptions to be paid through the check-off;
•proposing to resign from the union, or joining or refusing to join or resigning from a different union;
•working or proposing to work with people who are not members of the union or who are or are not members of a different union;
•working or proposing to work for an employer who employs (or has employed) people who are not members of the union or who are or are not members of a different union;
•requiring the union to do anything which under employment legislation, it is obliged to do on the request of a member;
•proposing to do any of the things listed in sections A, B or C, or doing anything preparatory or incidental to doing any of those things.
Individuals will, therefore, be protected against further unjustifiable discipline if, for example, they refuse to pay a fine imposed on them for working during a strike. Also, any discipline for proposing, for example, to go to work during a dispute or to give evidence in good faith to help someone else defend an assertion will be unjustifiable.

[BELIAL]

Where the f**k does that come from
So you can do anything short of stuffing a radioactive ferret up the general secretary's rectum
My local horticultural group is far more strict