Geo - route question

[The hollow man]

Can someone clarify this issue for me -

The new geo-route walks are to be enforced in our office soon, i questioned one of the management team as to where the 3.5 hr delivery span begins as there are trolley walks in our office which take 20 - 25 mins to get to the first delivery point. I was informed the 3.5 hr span started at the first delivery point and not when you leave the office.

So 2 x 25 mins travelling either way = another 50 mins on top of the 3.5 del span - which means someone is looking at a 4hr 20min trek!! which in my eyes is wrong, but management tell me that i am wrong and this is to be implemented

So can someone clarify- is it when you leave the office or first delivery point??

[johnnyp]

That does seem a long old trek with a trolley :shock:The point about the span starting at the first delivery point is going to be difficult to argue against.
Our office is bang in the middle of our area but we have walks over a mile from the start,and this is what you must argue on.These walks at our place use public transport(bus+tube)and are given fares,some there and back.They do not use trolleys obviously and only carry bags of 16kgs.The remainder of there walks are bought out by drivers and placed in to there pouch boxes.The other alternative is van acceleration with vans modified to carry trolleys.
I can not clarify your question 100% but have been involved in revisions before and based walks on 3.5 hours but have made the ones further away from the office a bit shorter and never really had problems about it before.

[bedfordrl]

I always understood (we have yet to Pegasus),that the delivery span is actually 4 hrs ,that is 3 hours thirty delivery and 15 minutes travel each way, but i may be wrong.

[johnnyp]

I always understood (we have yet to Pegasus),that the delivery span is actually 4 hrs ,that is 3 hours thirty delivery and 15 minutes travel each way, but i may be wrong.

That sounds about right.But as i said it could have a lot to do with your office location.

[HESS]

The duty structure for your outdoor content should have conveyance,delivery and part of m/r.! Duties ideally should be 3hrs 30mins from start to finish.......but on the other hand,I suppose if your conveyance is a lot longer than others,the duty must be shorter to fall in line with the finish time of the rest of the office...!? Correct me if I'm wrong somebody..?

[The hollow man]

Also, i take it that geo-route does not take into account the time it takes to throw off heavy walks and prep times, as all walks differ in our office to the amount of mail/packets each walk recieves, some walks have shedloads of mail and packets others very little so how can a fair system be imposed

[pinstripe]

Also, i take it that geo-route does not take into account the time it takes to throw off heavy walks and prep times, as all walks differ in our office to the amount of mail/packets each walk recieves, some walks have shedloads of mail and packets others very little so how can a fair system be imposed

When we had geo-route, prep wasn't included. It was delivery only.

[The hollow man]

Also, i take it that geo-route does not take into account the time it takes to throw off heavy walks and prep times, as all walks differ in our office to the amount of mail/packets each walk recieves, some walks have shedloads of mail and packets others very little so how can a fair system be imposed

When we had geo-route, prep wasn't included. It was delivery only.

So how have things gone in your office since the inroduction of geo-route?

[johnnyp]

Also, i take it that geo-route does not take into account the time it takes to throw off heavy walks and prep times, as all walks differ in our office to the amount of mail/packets each walk recieves, some walks have shedloads of mail and packets others very little so how can a fair system be imposed

Thats the $64 million dollar question
We have all these issues at our place,estate walks are very light,but tend to have lots of stairs,High St walks get loads of packets,reg etc etc, residential walks very heavy loads of flats redirections etc etc.
In the past we have let 1 or 2 heavy walks stay off ips on heavy days but this has caused friction with some of the staff,you will never win someone will allways moan about something,maybe the best way is to where possible make the walks further away from the office a bit shorter in delivery,the ones close to the office3.5 hours max,make sure ALL staff are on the IPS,get the guys on the lighter walks to help the heavy ones prep,ALL take your meal breaks together before you go out and all where possible leave at about the same time,this imho could be a fair system for all.

[The hollow man]

Also, i take it that geo-route does not take into account the time it takes to throw off heavy walks and prep times, as all walks differ in our office to the amount of mail/packets each walk recieves, some walks have shedloads of mail and packets others very little so how can a fair system be imposed

Thats the $64 million dollar question
We have all these issues at our place,estate walks are very light,but tend to have lots of stairs,High St walks get loads of packets,reg etc etc, residential walks very heavy loads of flats redirections etc etc.
In the past we have let 1 or 2 heavy walks stay off ips on heavy days but this has caused friction with some of the staff,you will never win someone will allways moan about something,maybe the best way is to where possible make the walks further away from the office a bit shorter in delivery,the ones close to the office3.5 hours max,make sure ALL staff are on the IPS,get the guys on the lighter walks to help the heavy ones prep,ALL take your meal breaks together before you go out and all where possible leave at about the same time,this imho could be a fair system for all.

Thats exactly my sentiments , however, our office consists of the usual suspects who come in a hour early to throw off walks then jump in their cars to deliver it, then there's the 'young uns' who will take short cuts to finish early.

[dvbuk55]

Strictly speaking the ruling is first to last letter is 3.30 and the timing is supposed to be 15 mins each way - quite obviously the distance from the office would depend on the method of getting there, foot, bike, trolley, car, bus, conveyance. Before you start using trolleys they should be risk assessed for the delivery they are intended to be used on and as far as I recall the distance from the office to the 1st call should not be more than 1 mile. If you are going to get electric trolleys then they have a seperate risk assessment.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

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Trolleys
Before the introduction of a trolley on a delivery walk, a ‘terrain assessment’ must be
carried out as part of the walk risk assessment process to ensure that the terrain is suitable
in particular for High Capacity Trolley (HCT) use. The correct lifting and handling techniques
must be used and they must not be overloaded. The Safe Systems of Work for Trolleys must
be followed at all times. The local walk risk assessment must be completed including
consultations with security and the local authority before deployment. The HCT is intended
to be used on level or undulating surfaces where small inclines do not cause any additional
force to be exerted. Use of HCTs in all circumstances will in any case be subject to local risk
and safety assessments undertaken by the manager in consultation with the local Safety
Representative. If accelerating HCT’s then they must be loaded/unloaded either using a
vehicle with a tail lift or via the approved ramp following the Safe System of Work (SSOW)
for HCT ramps. The weights below are maximum subject to a local terrain assessment

I wonder how many DOs actually do the part that I have coloure blue

[pinstripe]

Also, i take it that geo-route does not take into account the time it takes to throw off heavy walks and prep times, as all walks differ in our office to the amount of mail/packets each walk recieves, some walks have shedloads of mail and packets others very little so how can a fair system be imposed

When we had geo-route, prep wasn't included. It was delivery only.

So how have things gone in your office since the inroduction of geo-route?

About two thirds of the office had their deliveries increased.The regular postie on each round spent an average of 2 hours with the planners discussing everything, and I mean everything from the steepness of the hills to how ling corridors were inside blocks of flats, anything that took time. It was thanks to the rep that we got to have a significant input into the planning and implementation of geo-route. There was a period of a few weeks to get used to the new delivery rounds, but since then things have gone smoothly, till now.
It appears that as we coped quite well with it RM have decided that we now need to lose over 560 hours per week. This is in spite of an agreement that we would accept geo-route only if they didn't come back for more, as usual with RM, agreements are not worth the paper they are printed on. We are a mid sized office, about 80/90 staff, split approx 75/25% ft/pt, so it's going to kick off big time if they press ahead with it.

[pickaname]

Work to your time and cut off... *snore*

[antcpfc]

Work to your time and cut off... *snore*

It may be boring but it has to be said
Our office is not militant but when we were told the summer lapsing was to continue all year we got together and acted.All but one of us now takes the breaks,take out weighed pouches and do the job properly.No cars,coming in early or stepping packets.We normally get the job done (maybe a couple of cut offs a day)but they get nothing extra.