I don't know, but I hope so. I had to change shifts for my last appointment. Which meant that I did 2 lates, 1 early, then 2 lates. Admittedly, it wasn't a Hospital appointment, but it was an essential appointment. But I didn't know that things had deteriorated so far that some people were being forced to make the time back. That's disgusting. And needs to be stopped!!!!!
Have you tried getting in touch with Simpson Miller? http://www.simpsonmillar.co.uk/services ... n/cwu.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
As it says on the Website: You'll need to go through your Branch first. But it's certainly worth a try. Good luck.
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A similar question came up a few days ago. In 2007 and 2009--two people successfully argued that time of for hospital appointments constituted sick leave. If the company normally pay you when off sick, they should pay you for the time taken for appointments, and also treat it as sick leave. The only down side to that I suppose, is Royal Mail could use it to issue a stage warning, but argument could be made that the treatment is a continuation of one ilness, rather than seperate ones.
Also. Look if your problem is covered by the D.D.A, in which case, hospital appoinments should be covered under ;reasonable adjustments.
Good Luck--and let's hope the Union spend some of your subs on taking the case on.
Not much you can do when it`s not employment law to be allowed (payed)time off to attend hospital appointments.
The only grey area has already been touched on..when your on DDA and even then an employer can be awkward if it decides to.I know been there bought the t-shirt.
Going off how the cwu where with me I`d be very surprised if you get any help off them..not to worry though theres plenty more people who would be interested in pursuing your case.
Royal Mail managers.....about as popular as a t.urd in a swimming pool!
The DDA/Equality Act demands action,NOT words......adjustments NOT Occupational Health referrals.Case No:2505901/09
Royal Mail is an Equal Opportunities Employer..It discriminates against everybody.
same thing happening in my office loads of staff told take it as leave or sick i say go for it mate if the union dont back you tell them to look at this site if they dont back you you could always take legal action against the union for failure to represent you.
SovietOnion73 wrote:Does any one think that the union would take on my behalf without it costing me any leagl fees court action against royal mail. I will explain whats happening as short as i can with out waffling on so forgive me if i waffle on a bit.People who have hospital appointments in our office are being forced by royal mail to give them the time back if the appointments are within there duty time either by working O/T with out pay until you have reached the agreed level ,giving up a days holiday or leave, swapping your day off or having your pay deducted.I rung h/r yesterday and they informed me that my boss if quite in his right do any of the above but my area rep informs me this not to be the case( SO WHOS RITE AND WHOS WRONG).If you cant make an appointment out of R/M time due to maybe a clinic only running till midday what are you supposed to do .I dont beleive for one minute that this can be right for a big company like R/M to be doing this to ITS employees .Its as if they are punishing you for having an illness what happened to the caring employer approach the friendly family company surely they must have to honour a hospital appointment,it has to be against some working law just like there 1hr contracts have been found out to be in a court of law recently.
If your hospital appointment is related to a DDA condition you should be fine. I was told that you should try to make hospital appointments outside work hours, however, if this is not possible then you could have the time off as a lieu day, some managers will tell you to do as much of your duty if possible and then go to your appointment or after your appointment if you can come back to work even if it is for a few hours, then again it all depends on what sort of manager you have
SovietOnion73 wrote:Does any one think that the union would take on my behalf without it costing me any leagl fees court action against royal mail. I will explain whats happening as short as i can with out waffling on so forgive me if i waffle on a bit.People who have hospital appointments in our office are being forced by royal mail to give them the time back if the appointments are within there duty time either by working O/T with out pay until you have reached the agreed level ,giving up a days holiday or leave, swapping your day off or having your pay deducted.I rung h/r yesterday and they informed me that my boss if quite in his right do any of the above but my area rep informs me this not to be the case( SO WHOS RITE AND WHOS WRONG).If you cant make an appointment out of R/M time due to maybe a clinic only running till midday what are you supposed to do .I dont beleive for one minute that this can be right for a big company like R/M to be doing this to ITS employees .Its as if they are punishing you for having an illness what happened to the caring employer approach the friendly family company surely they must have to honour a hospital appointment,it has to be against some working law just like there 1hr contracts have been found out to be in a court of law recently.
the law says you must make evry effort to make appointments outside normal working hours,if you cant avoid it.then you can have it off (obviously)unpaid.
its not a deduction if you havent earnt it.big company or small you should expect to get paid exactly what youve earnt.nobody owes you a living
like most of the other posts i think its real bad that they do this but everything about royalmails sick policey is about punishing you and this just one more example of it i think you will end up having to swallow it and find away to get your revenge like using up all your sick pay every year to the very last day. some will say thats wrong but i am not saying lie i am saying if you wake up with a cold instead of going in take the time off to recover for the maximum ammount allowed and not a momment over. keep a diary of the days you have off and who you spoke to at what time each day you are off and if you are off on a saturday but going back on a monday ring in at mid day to say you are now fit for duty or the sunday will be counted if you also use the ssp form from the doctors it has a good statement that you can fill out on the back to hand in for there use and you keep a copy for yours and it will help in the calculations of sick time claimed if they try to stage you.
i am fed up with royalmail using every dirty trick they can to punish us for every small thing and i am now fighting back i am not waiting for strikes or ballots i will do the job properly and thats it.
the law says you must make evry effort to make appointments outside normal working hours,if you cant avoid it.then you can have it off (obviously)unpaid.
its not a deduction if you havent earnt it.big company or small you should expect to get paid exactly what youve earnt.nobody owes you a living
So if you are injured while performing your duty, or victim of a bandit attack, and as a result of this you have to attend hospital, and you can not get your appointments outside work hours, according to you people should not be paid
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the law says you must make evry effort to make appointments outside normal working hours,if you cant avoid it.then you can have it off (obviously)unpaid.
its not a deduction if you havent earnt it.big company or small you should expect to get paid exactly what youve earnt.nobody owes you a living
So if you are injured while performing your duty, or victim of a bandit attack, and as a result of this you have to attend hospital, and you can not get your appointments outside work hours, according to you people should not be paid
Any reasonable employer would see this is a accident at work and the employee should be given time off work to attend hospital appointments, with pay. The problem with RM most cases go on the managers discretion and some managers discretion is incoherent and unfair, and in many cases the line manager decision is usually overturned by a senior manager when the CWU gets involve.
This is happening to some one in my office Sovietonion73,....we to have a bully of a manager who dos,nt care for his work force..who himself takes days off when he wants...and as 4 the post off Lover...........I,
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the law says you must make evry effort to make appointments outside normal working hours,if you cant avoid it.then you can have it off (obviously)unpaid.
its not a deduction if you havent earnt it.big company or small you should expect to get paid exactly what youve earnt.nobody owes you a living
So if you are injured while performing your duty, or victim of a bandit attack, and as a result of this you have to attend hospital, and you can not get your appointments outside work hours, according to you people should not be paid
Any reasonable employer would see this is a accident at work and the employee should be given time off work to attend hospital appointments, with pay. The problem with RM most cases go on the managers discretion and some managers discretion is incoherent and unfair, and in many cases the line manager decision is usually overturned by a senior manager when the CWU gets involve.
It's a long time, since RM was a reasonable or caring employer.
Don't knock Insanity
it's just another outlook on Reality!
strangley,no im not a dim dom,but how utterly sad of you to assume that because i exspect you to work for your wage i must be.i find it disgusting that not only do you feel you should get paid for not working but you think its a right you have .if you were paid you would take all day.i would ,you would ,anybody would.unpaid your only going to take the time you really need.how long will the appointment be.2 hours?wow that would be 13 ish pounds outta your generous wages...if you cant afford that then come back to work after as you dim said to make up the time.seems fair to me unless he lets someone else go paid.ITS WHY THEY CALL IT EARNINGS
sorry mailsort i didnt see your post till my last reply...but here goes.
obviously if its work related it should be paid for.but unless im stupidier than you nobody has said it is.so why bother bringing it up???
please follow the thread in question..it makes it all alot easier
A similar question came up a few days ago. In 2007 and 2009--two people successfully argued that time of for hospital appointments constituted sick leave. If the company normally pay you when off sick, they should pay you for the time taken for appointments, and also treat it as sick leave. The only down side to that I suppose, is Royal Mail could use it to issue a stage warning, but argument could be made that the treatment is a continuation of one ilness, rather than seperate ones.
