Going to the pub.

[Lounge Lizard]

The only reference to Alcohol that I can find is in Royal Mail's 'Code of Business Standards' which states that "alcoholic drinks are not permitted at business meetings or on company premises except for authorised social functions out of the working hours of those present" which is what I would have expected.
Can it therefore be assumed that any of us are allowed to call in a pub while wearing RM uniform on our way home from work for a pint or two so long as we behave in a civilised manner ?

[fmrPOSTIE]

Where I worked I always felt Royal Mail was pretty lax on alcohol. Alot went over the pub in their break ans would come back tipsy!

[DGP1]

Where I worked I always felt Royal Mail was pretty lax on alcohol. Alot went over the pub in their break ans would come back tipsy!

how did that work? I take it you didn't work on deliveries.

[k979aaa]

The only reference to Alcohol that I can find is in Royal Mail's 'Code of Business Standards' which states that "alcoholic drinks are not permitted at business meetings or on company premises except for authorised social functions out of the working hours of those present" which is what I would have expected.
Can it therefore be assumed that any of us are allowed to call in a pub while wearing RM uniform on our way home from work for a pint or two so long as we behave in a civilised manner ?

WHY do you ask as long as you do your job you can do as you wish as long as you don't bring attention to it while you ware your work clothes!. I know the BNP have two EM-P's but we are not quite in the NAZI state yet!.

[fmrPOSTIE]

Where I worked I always felt Royal Mail was pretty lax on alcohol. Alot went over the pub in their break ans would come back tipsy!

how did that work? I take it you didn't work on deliveries.

Mail Centre /indoors. 30 seconds from the town centre!

[Lounge Lizard]

The only reference to Alcohol that I can find is in Royal Mail's 'Code of Business Standards' which states that "alcoholic drinks are not permitted at business meetings or on company premises except for authorised social functions out of the working hours of those present" which is what I would have expected.
Can it therefore be assumed that any of us are allowed to call in a pub while wearing RM uniform on our way home from work for a pint or two so long as we behave in a civilised manner ?

WHY do you ask as long as you do your job you can do as you wish as long as you don't bring attention to it while you ware your work clothes!. I know the BNP have two EM-P's but we are not quite in the NAZI state yet!.

Why do I ask ?
Well, over the years I've known many pubs which at times were full of uniformed postmen ( Pakenham Arms, Mount Pleasant, Cattle Market Tavern, Bristol, etc.) with RM managers calling them back to work as necessary but, with RM now using every opportunity to discipline and if possible sack its staff, I just wanted to check that I would not be doing wrong if I were to nip into the Wetherspoons for a pint on my way home from the delivery office.

[k979aaa]

The only reference to Alcohol that I can find is in Royal Mail's 'Code of Business Standards' which states that "alcoholic drinks are not permitted at business meetings or on company premises except for authorised social functions out of the working hours of those present" which is what I would have expected.
Can it therefore be assumed that any of us are allowed to call in a pub while wearing RM uniform on our way home from work for a pint or two so long as we behave in a civilised manner ?

WHY do you ask as long as you do your job you can do as you wish as long as you don't bring attention to it while you ware your work clothes!. I know the BNP have two EM-P's but we are not quite in the NAZI state yet!.

Why do I ask ?
Well, over the years I've known many pubs which at times were full of uniformed postmen ( Pakenham Arms, Mount Pleasant, Cattle Market Tavern, Bristol, etc.) with RM managers calling them back to work as necessary but, with RM now using every opportunity to discipline and if possible sack its staff, I just wanted to check that I would not be doing wrong if I were to nip into the Wetherspoons for a pint on my way home from the delivery office.

Don't think it would be a problem you just might find the manager in their too half cut and if you do have a problem royalmails alcohol policy is better than their injury policy!.

[brothermagrew]

It is every employees responsibility not to come to work or return to work adversely affected by alcohol or drug use. This Means - When you come to work or return from a break you must be able to do all aspects of your scheduled work safely and effectively, unaffected by alcohol and drugs. If there are clear risks to your own safety, the safety of your colleagues or the public this is especially important. If (for example) you are scheduled to undertake driving duties, or operate a vehicle of any kind, use machinery or handle heavy loads you will need to take particular care.

REMEMBER - In addition to Royal Mail's responsibilities as your employer we all as individuals have a legal duty not to endanger our own safety and that of our work colleagues and members of the public. Being under the influence of alcohol and drugs at any time while at work or on Royal Mail business breaks Royal Mail standards and may result in application of the conduct code. It could also mean you are breaking the law!

[baldrick]

Well, over the years I've known many pubs which at times were full of uniformed postmen... Pakenham Arms, Mount Pleasant

There used to be a licensed bar inside Mount Pleasant when I started but it was closed down
about 20 years ago IIRC. It was the only time that the Postmen's CWU Branch (we had two branches
then, one for Postmen/women, and one for PHG's, cleaners and canteen staff) threatened to call a
strike. After it closed down the drinkers were dispersed to the various pubs in the area.
The most popular was the Penny Black across the road, which was also used as the CWU Branch's
HQ during strikes. That has now become a Yuppie bar called the Silver Dollar, and people in
work clothes are not welcome. The Pakenham is still used though.
A friend of mine who worked at the West End office said that occasionally there would be a crackdown,
when patrols of managers would be sent arouund the nearby pubs to round up postalworkers and
order them back to work.
I believe it is still technically an infringement of RM rules to go into a pub in uniform, though I have
never heard of anyone being disciplined for doing so.

[Lounge Lizard]

It is every employees responsibility not to come to work or return to work adversely affected by alcohol or drug use. This Means - When you come to work or return from a break you must be able to do all aspects of your scheduled work safely and effectively, unaffected by alcohol and drugs. If there are clear risks to your own safety, the safety of your colleagues or the public this is especially important. If (for example) you are scheduled to undertake driving duties, or operate a vehicle of any kind, use machinery or handle heavy loads you will need to take particular care.

REMEMBER - In addition to Royal Mail's responsibilities as your employer we all as individuals have a legal duty not to endanger our own safety and that of our work colleagues and members of the public. Being under the influence of alcohol and drugs at any time while at work or on Royal Mail business breaks Royal Mail standards and may result in application of the conduct code. It could also mean you are breaking the law!

Yes, I think we would all agree with that advice.
What I was thinking of was having a pint or two in the Wetherspoons on my way home,
not http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diCeubq_WXg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[k979aaa]

It is every employees responsibility not to come to work or return to work adversely affected by alcohol or drug use. This Means - When you come to work or return from a break you must be able to do all aspects of your scheduled work safely and effectively, unaffected by alcohol and drugs. If there are clear risks to your own safety, the safety of your colleagues or the public this is especially important. If (for example) you are scheduled to undertake driving duties, or operate a vehicle of any kind, use machinery or handle heavy loads you will need to take particular care.

REMEMBER - In addition to Royal Mail's responsibilities as your employer we all as individuals have a legal duty not to endanger our own safety and that of our work colleagues and members of the public. Being under the influence of alcohol and drugs at any time while at work or on Royal Mail business breaks Royal Mail standards and may result in application of the conduct code. It could also mean you are breaking the law!

Yes, I think we would all agree with that advice.
What I was thinking of was having a pint or two in the Wetherspoons on my way home,
not http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diCeubq_WXg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Used to go out all the time after work but after some scrote attacked my dad and i fought back (i was not in uniform at the time) i would think twice!.

[brothermagrew]

Lounge Lizard for your information seeing as you asked and may in part answer your query, the RM Conduct Code will normally apply where:

Normal standards of conduct and safety are broken.
An employee is found to be under the influence of or to have consumed alcohol or drugs on duty.
An employee is convicted of being over the legal limit whilst driving on Royal Mail business.
There are breaches of customer/supplier rules.
Where behaviour especially in uniform brings Royal Mail into disrepute.

[stokes11eg]

Given what we have to wear now, it's the uniform that brings us in to disrepute---as a rather aged female-I feel like a spiv with my issue!

[norbert]

Given what we have to wear now, it's the uniform that brings us in to disrepute---as a rather aged female-I feel like a spiv with my issue!

Been in an Industry where there was a p***y culture - in fairness too lax , a hangover ( no pun intended ! ) from the 50's & 60's , then it was cracked down from a very great height , Management were very childishly were bragging about sacking someone for sacking someone for testing positive for using a breath spray with an alcoholic content .

That was the Aerial Sharon school of Industrial Relations for a " militant " depot . There were culls on the p*** heads , some of the reps were the biggest ale cans of the lot .

Previously like the PO there was a fair alcohol policy , if you as missed as much as one meeting or appointment , you'd be in the office so fast ; your feet wouldn't touch and you'd need a damm good rep .

They were fussy about people being seen off duty in uniform as it could give the wrong impression . Like the Post Office a lot of stuff was stirred up in the media to make Privatization look like " a good idea " .

The Private Companies stopped drinking in uniform , purple pants , red shirts , green jackets etc tend to make people look a bit conspicuous when propping up the bar

[stokes11eg]

I've got it now--so the new uniform is DESIGNED to make us less conspicuous!! now that's clever thinking.
but does anybody really go into pubs with theit Elmer hat on?