Put on stage for being sick thru bullying?

[opgpat]

Hi everyone,

Can someone rightly be put on an attendance stage warning for being off with stress (with a doctors note) due to bullying and harrasment? It would seem grossly unfair if someone was punished/disadvantaged for being nothing more than a victim?

Cheers.

[DGP1]

Hi everyone,

Can someone rightly be put on an attendance stage warning for being off with stress (with a doctors note) due to bullying and harrasment? It would seem grossly unfair if someone was punished/disadvantaged for being nothing more than a victim?

Cheers.

They've always done so in the past (I know of 3 in my office), sad but true

[opgpat]

If said harrassment was from a manager that means they can effectively harrass someone untill they are off enough times/long enough that they can sack them for poor attendance?

What a total disgrace of a system, which I assume is designed to protect the company from employees who are not committed enough to the job.

[mailsort6]

Hi everyone,

Can someone rightly be put on an attendance stage warning for being off with stress (with a doctors note) due to bullying and harrasment? It would seem grossly unfair if someone was punished/disadvantaged for being nothing more than a victim?

Cheers.

If you were being bullied, did you see your union rep or take out a grievence?

[norbert]

Hi everyone,

Can someone rightly be put on an attendance stage warning for being off with stress (with a doctors note) due to bullying and harrasment? It would seem grossly unfair if someone was punished/disadvantaged for being nothing more than a victim?

Cheers.

If you were being bullied, did you see your union rep or take out a grievence?

that's the problem , if you had something in black and white that you'd reported it - RM would have to hold fire . The 22 million dollar question if sacked is " Did RM act reasonably ? "
If you did "tell tales out of class " ( I'm sorry but this is the juvenile mentality of some RM managers ) - RM would see you as a loose cannon , they would still try and get rid of someone but they'd have to be more devious , subtle and underhand about it .

It all boils down to this , to RM it's "better " to wear somebody down and hound the target out of the door as there's every chance the target won't give RM any problems . The other scenario is 1 . RM would have to admit they've a problem - RM DO NOT do responsibility - never have , never will - very negative style of management 2 . IF they did take action , they'd have a loose cannon of a manager with a bitter , twisted grudge & chip on his shoulder that could cause RM more problems than the target .

However there is a tick list question on RTW forms about H&B issues - that is purely to cover RM's sorry a*** if somebody takes things outside the PO . If you stated there was but the manager didn't flag anything up " to keep things down " - RM have failed in their duty of care .

RM can then work in the following ways to wriggle out of things - they will say you never reported it officially , took action so therefore it didn't happen - arrogant - yes ! but that's what they'll do .

If anyone raised matters outside RM after being sacked , RM will wriggle out of it by saying you never raised a grievance and you are abusing the Tribunal system to cause a stir and being a troublemaker . RM would not hesitate to use expensive legal people to stop a tribunal .

[Stormproof]

I walked out of the job a couple of years ago due to B&H (not the cigs!) from a line manager, I was in tears. As soon as I got home I phoned the B & H helpline and explained what happened, they were very sympathetic and sent out a B & H form to me which I filled in and returned, I wanted this dealt with through the proper channels and not just brushed under the carpet locally. I also went to my doctors and explained what had happened and was signed off sick with stress for a week, I thought I would loose my job for walking but due to circumstances it was not mentioned by DOM. Anyway within days the DOM had received the B & H paperwork and interviews started taking place, case found in my favour. I was put on a Stage 2 for the week off which I think is out of order considering I won the case. So please make sure you have put in a B & H form, you have witnesses and make sure there is a paper trail....good luck.

[opgpat]

Thanks for responses. Yes I've had a B&H case go through and during the process I recieved more harrassment and went off sick with stress. The case was found in my favour (upheld 100%) yet for the 2weeks off stressed out they want to give me a stage warning. I can't believe they can give an atterndace warning when the absence is a direct result of managers intimidation.
Cheers.

[stokes11eg]

Thanks for responses. Yes I've had a B&H case go through and during the process I recieved more harrassment and went off sick with stress. The case was found in my favour (upheld 100%) yet for the 2weeks off stressed out they want to give me a stage warning. I can't believe they can give an atterndace warning when the absence is a direct result of managers intimidation.
Cheers.

Hiya, If you google up Employment Legislation, you will see lots of helpful items--(Mental Health) which includes
depression. Your managers do have a duty of care to you.and matters such as this have to be handled 'Sensitively'
you could argue that giving you a warning is further damaging your health----and suggest that THEY get clued up
on up to date legislation--always remind them they have a LEGAL obligation as regards your welfare.
I once had My doctor write to them and say there behaviour was causing me stress---that stopped them!!!!
It costs 15 pounds but well worth it.

[norbert]

Thanks for responses. Yes I've had a B&H case go through and during the process I recieved more harrassment and went off sick with stress. The case was found in my favour (upheld 100%) yet for the 2weeks off stressed out they want to give me a stage warning. I can't believe they can give an atterndace warning when the absence is a direct result of managers intimidation.
Cheers.

problem is that there's that much pressure from middle management , at one time RM would back off to a point , there would be local territorial and instuitionalized managers "plotting " things and there would be "coincidences " afterwards .

Nowadays it'd be " let him / her slog it out with RM in a tribunal " as there's orders from on high not to undermine local management , no matter how incompetent or corrupt - siege mentality management .

[opgpat]

Thanks for the replies all, ended up I was put on stage 2. The manager said before a dismissal the resons for the employees stage warnings are 'considered'. This doesn't mean they wouldn't get rid of someone for being off due to stress from bullying but I guess u could take them to an employment tribunal if they did and a past harrassment case/official claim would be good evidence on your behalf.

Cheers.

[madelin4]

Thanks for the replies all, ended up I was put on stage 2. The manager said before a dismissal the resons for the employees stage warnings are 'considered'. This doesn't mean they wouldn't get rid of someone for being off due to stress from bullying but I guess u could take them to an employment tribunal if they did and a past harrassment case/official claim would be good evidence on your behalf.

Cheers.

I will agree with this