Should I be worried?

villa_rule_123 · Post by **villa_rule_123** » 26 Nov 2008, 19:33

Hey..

I've been a postie now for around 2 months, and the other day my Manager had a talk to be by my fitting & said that I had left 'live' mail at the top after I had finished packing my letters for delivery... I said sorry and that it was a accident, then he asked if I could do my D2Ds the next day as I might be moving walks the day after. So today came and I did a different walk and a merged walk on top of that, which was a bit weird as it wasn't my day off, why couldn't I have just carried on with my usual walk? Even some of the others couldn't see why I'd been moved on to the new walk for that day.

My last job, I was sacked for poor performance, and on my last day I was told to work hard to try and change the boss' mind... is this deja vu? Or just my conscience playing up on me? How serious is leaving mail on the top of the fitting after you've gone out?

Stormproof · Post by **Stormproof** » 26 Nov 2008, 20:21

Its classed as Wilful Delay and can be a sackable offence

Up Hill Down Hill · Post by **Up Hill Down Hill** » 26 Nov 2008, 20:22

How much mail did you leave?

Just make sure you check your frame every day when finished bundling up.

As for all D2D's in one day I thought the rule was 20% a day?

Pat Ostman · Post by **Pat Ostman** » 26 Nov 2008, 20:27

I would not worry, getting moved is normal, after all your past the usual training period and it's unlikely you'll get your own walk yet. As for leaving live mail, yes it can be classed as wilful delay (as can a lot of things) but I doubt anything will come from it unless you do it all the time.

If you took the letters out with you after you had bagged up then you did nothing wrong at all apart from inconvenience yourself.

We all make mistakes :)

LDV 350 · Post by **LDV 350** » 26 Nov 2008, 20:39

If they do pursue the wilful delay claim argue back it was accidental delay which is a less serious thing, your union rep can help there it worked for me when i left 5 letters by accident

Post by **darth** » 27 Nov 2008, 15:21

it is also worth diarising things just so you have a independant copy of things.

bandit650 · Post by **bandit650** » 27 Nov 2008, 17:12

The other thing to remember is if they come at you with wilful delay then they will have to prove if you done this with intention,just make sure you check your frame before you go anywhere,make sure that all your deads are done as they can use that as well,always keep a note of anything that happens with the date and time they don't need much of an excuse at the moment to pull people in.

brothermagrew · Post by **brothermagrew** » 27 Nov 2008, 18:34

villa_rule_123 wrote:Hey..

I've been a postie now for around 2 months, and the other day my Manager had a talk to be by my fitting & said that I had left 'live' mail at the top after I had finished packing my letters for delivery... I said sorry and that it was a accident, then he asked if I could do my D2Ds the next day as I might be moving walks the day after. So today came and I did a different walk and a merged walk on top of that, which was a bit weird as it wasn't my day off, why couldn't I have just carried on with my usual walk? Even some of the others couldn't see why I'd been moved on to the new walk for that day.

My last job, I was sacked for poor performance, and on my last day I was told to work hard to try and change the boss' mind... is this deja vu? Or just my conscience playing up on me? How serious is leaving mail on the top of the fitting after you've gone out?

SAFEGUARDING CUSTOMERS' MAIL
UNEXCUSED DELAY TO MAIL
The responsibility for safeguarding the mail and giving it prompt and accurate treatment is one of the most important duties of all employees.

Various actions can cause mail to be delayed, e.g. carelessness, negligence, breach or disregard of a rule or guideline. Such instances are to be distinguished from wilful delay although they may also be treated as misconduct, and in more serious instances could also result in dismissal.

Furthermore, Royal Mail does recognise that genuine mistakes and misunderstandings do occur and it is not the intention of the Business that such cases should be dealt with under the Conduct Code beyond counselling for the isolated instance. The key is that employees should do their job to the best of their ability and, if in doubt, ask for their manager's advice and guidance.

WILFUL DELAY
Wilful delay of mail is classed as gross misconduct, which if proven could lead to dismissal. The test to determine whether actions may be considered as wilful delay is as follows:

Deliberate action taken by an employee that causes mail to be delayed is called wilful delay. Where proven, such breaches of conduct can lead to dismissal, even for a first offence; indeed Wilful Delay is a criminal offence and can result in prosecution.

rowdogg · Post by **rowdogg** » 27 Nov 2008, 18:47

^^^^where did u get that from....cheers

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 27 Nov 2008, 18:52

rowdogg wrote:^^^^where did u get that from....cheers

Conduct Code National Agreement

http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... php?id=321

gingernut · Post by **gingernut** » 28 Nov 2008, 18:22

Once you are bagged up and ready to leave the office ask your union rep to come and check your frame and make a written record, ie frame clear and the date and time and keep copies for your records. I write everything down that happens between me and if any come back you can quote dates and times.

Post by **stokes11eg** » 29 Nov 2008, 12:59

True. I've seen other people (after their packet man has left their frame) have a quick look round, and throw up a couple of packets.
And I stiil do not understand, how in our office at least, you can come back after your holidays, to find a mixture
of unendorsed items, undelivered mail, etc.all left on your frame, by your relief.