GEO ROUTE THE FACTS

spilie · Post by **spilie** » 11 Nov 2008, 15:45

i have read all the threads on geo route and i feel very confused and was wondering if any union rep on here can clear it up for me in simple english.
1. What speed do we insist on in our review?
2. What call percentage do we insist on?
3. What other things are to be taken into consideration to achieve the duty time?
Although i am asking these questions i cannot believe that a UNION that is supposed to look after the interests of all its members is even considering allowing its members to negotiate this at local levels! This should be a National agreement and the lack of any direction and support in offices is an outrage that only strenghtens my belief that we have rolled over once again. The silence from Union HQ is deafening and is only adding to the rock bottom morale that is felt on the office floor.

johnnyp · Post by **johnnyp** » 11 Nov 2008, 16:43

spilie wrote:i have read all the threads on geo route and i feel very confused and was wondering if any union rep on here can clear it up for me in simple english.
1. What speed do we insist on in our review?
2. What call percentage do we insist on?
3. What other things are to be taken into consideration to achieve the duty time?
Although i am asking these questions i cannot believe that a UNION that is supposed to look after the interests of all its members is even considering allowing its members to negotiate this at local levels! This should be a National agreement and the lack of any direction and support in offices is an outrage that only strenghtens my belief that we have rolled over once again. The silence from Union HQ is deafening and is only adding to the rock bottom morale that is felt on the office floor.

Hello Mate
There is no national agreement on Geo Route as far as i know and i have also read on here that it is conference policy that no branches get involved in geo route.Why so many have is a mystery to me

What i will say to you is that offices that have used it have lost walks and ended up in a right mess

.If you have not gone in to it yet then DONT.Go through the I/R framework and do not proceed any futher untill we have a national agreement.

spilie · Post by **spilie** » 11 Nov 2008, 17:07

thanks johnnyp but how do we stop it? we are being told like it or lump it your getting it, do we just refuse to do it? rep seems a bit clueless so any info on what rights we have would be appreciated and any examples of other offices who have rejected it and the outcomes would help strengthen our case, thanks again johnnyp for your reply but dont you think we could all do with a national statement and some real help from our employees the UNION EXEC

johnnyp · Post by **johnnyp** » 11 Nov 2008, 17:39

spilie wrote:thanks johnnyp but how do we stop it? we are being told like it or lump it your getting it, do we just refuse to do it? rep seems a bit clueless so any info on what rights we have would be appreciated and any examples of other offices who have rejected it and the outcomes would help strengthen our case, thanks again johnnyp for your reply but dont you think we could all do with a national statement and some real help from our employees the UNION EXEC

Get on to your Area rep and tell him whats going on,get your local rep to get a stage 1 disagreement in and that the Status Quo must remain untill talks between the CWU and management at local,area and Divisonal level reach a settlement,if you can not get them to back down then you may need to resort to other actions to defend yourselves.We do not have geo route in London but its coming and without a national agreement we will not get involved in it and will end up in a dispute of some sort i guess if management try to force it upon us.

johnnyp · Post by **johnnyp** » 12 Nov 2008, 17:28

Spille mate read this link
http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... 18&t=12459

madelin4 · Post by **madelin4** » 12 Nov 2008, 18:32

Its coming into my office next week!!! walks far 2 big!!! We will struggle to complete any walk in 3.5 hours walking time

Post by **dvbuk55** » 12 Nov 2008, 19:45

In fairness we did actually have an increase in duties, though there is still some a little put out that we didn't have a repick - that however will be rectified with the advent of park and loop - the repick will take place in 7 weeks time just after christmas.

johnnyp · Post by **johnnyp** » 12 Nov 2008, 19:47

dvbuk55 wrote:In fairness we did actually have an increase in duties, though there is still some a little put out that we didn't have a repick - that however will be rectified with the advent of park and loop - the repick will take place in 7 weeks time just after christmas.

How many duties were put back in mate?

BELIAL · Post by **BELIAL** » 12 Nov 2008, 21:26

Talk about muddying the waters. Maybe I'm odd ,but slag off branches for going down the peggy route whilst issuing "the Final Training download".Confused thinking? Or cake, yum yum, cake.
Suppose our leaders will say ,"we must mitigate the effects, and save them from themselves" Dumb

Big Daz · Post by **Big Daz** » 21 Nov 2008, 20:06

But some branches hada area aggrement on pegasus before conference policy was made.

Im going to check out exactly what was passed.

Big Daz · Post by **Big Daz** » 21 Nov 2008, 20:10

164 carried

Conference agrees that the current attendance call rate allowance contained within the Pegasus/Geo-route delivery revision tool of 1.7% is both outdated and unrealistic. It is further agreed that the 1.7% attendance call rate bears no relation to the current make up of delivery traffic handled by our members in delivery offices and does not accurately reflect the increase in the “Special Delivery”, “Signed For” and packet traffic volumes.

Conference, therefore instructs the Postal Executive to negotiate and agree with the employer an attendance call rate that more accurately reflects the current traffic profiles and/or a mechanism/procedure to accurately assess attendance call rates for proposed delivery routes devised by the Pegasus/Geo-route system.

The Postal Executive is instructed accordingly.

Eastern No.3

Big Daz · Post by **Big Daz** » 21 Nov 2008, 20:18

Cant find anything else yet, now going to consult a hard copy of postal motions.

spilie · Post by **spilie** » 22 Nov 2008, 19:45

thanks daz let us know any updates you get much appreciated

Post by **dvbuk55** » 22 Nov 2008, 20:05

johnnyp wrote:
dvbuk55 wrote:In fairness we did actually have an increase in duties, though there is still some a little put out that we didn't have a repick - that however will be rectified with the advent of park and loop - the repick will take place in 7 weeks time just after christmas.
How many duties were put back in mate?

I'm sorry johnnyp, I didn't see this until today. there was an extra 3 duties put in when georoute first came about, 1 full 2 part - however that was about 8/9 months ago and since then park and loop has emerged and we lost 7 bulk duties in total all full time - not strictly true of course because although we lost the duties we still have the personnel - I've no idea where the savings are supposed to be.

Big Daz · Post by **Big Daz** » 22 Nov 2008, 20:56

spilie wrote:thanks daz let us know any updates you get much appreciated

Cant find anything else in the conference agenda booklet for postal conference.

A fact to consider is that RM dont want a national aggrement on pegasus and I reckon its because the settings that CWU would want would mean some office having the revision re done and have duties put back in due to a more generous/realistic criteria.

Pegasus has been in 2 weeks in my office, 3 deliveries going over 3.5 hours rest are fine. Some further equlasation might be needed but could be difficult without spltting up streets onto more than one delivery.