Former Rep now manager of same office!!!

[Picket]

Advice please. i've recently taken over as unit rep of our delivery office. my predecessor, who went into become a manager , is coming back next week as acting manager (all be it for one day) and then he's back in uniform from then on until needed to cover managers.

Doesn't sound right to me and i'm not happy about it one bit.

is it allowed?

[Stormproof]

It always surprises me, reps that become managers, we've had quite a few in the past at my office. I wonder how they feel when we are on strike and they have to work. when in the past they have been the ones to call us out on UIA

[dvbuk55]

Well it seems that they have seen the writing on the wall - there's no mileage or future in being a part of a lost cause, better to jump ship and become part of a winning team - well at least a team that is getting a bonus.

[rockytony67]

Advice please. i've recently taken over as unit rep of our delivery office. my predecessor, who went into become a manager , is coming back next week as acting manager (all be it for one day) and then he's back in uniform from then on until needed to cover managers.

Doesn't sound right to me and i'm not happy about it one bit.

is it allowed?

Yes it is allowed, to be honest it's quite a common scenario, who knows better then your former rep about what goes on in your office, Rm will always use that to there advantage

[BELIAL]

Easy meat, they know better

[norbert]

Advice please. i've recently taken over as unit rep of our delivery office. my predecessor, who went into become a manager , is coming back next week as acting manager (all be it for one day) and then he's back in uniform from then on until needed to cover managers.

Doesn't sound right to me and i'm not happy about it one bit.

is it allowed?

Yes it is allowed, to be honest it's quite a common scenario, who knows better then your former rep about what goes on in your office, Rm will always use that to there advantage

of course ! - oldest trick in the book to neutralize people and they'd be only too keen to cross that line to the other side - just like the dumpers , the drunks , the lame and the lazy

nowadays it's the ones on CofC and/or RMAP that go on :lfo 's " Road to Damascus "

Best one was the anti- strike one from the valleys on the "I posted a letter once so I know what I'm talking about ! " site , just a DOM but was privy to a lot of Senior Management stuff - all this " we were on strike for weeks , for nothing etc " - the reality was Sausage , Chips & Beans every week

[baldrick]

We had an ex-National Executive Committee UPW/CWU member who got voted off the NEC and then became a
Admin Manager at my MC. He used to take training sessions with our members who said he always used the
training sessions as an opportunity to slag off the local Reps and the CWU.
We had one other CWU Rep who after he was unsucessfull in getting elected to Area Rep,
went over to Management and was rapidly promoted to Shift Manager, but was subsequently moved to another office.
And one person who stood for Political Officer just to go on the CWU IT training course (and get the expenses)
before going over to Management.
But it must be said that the vast majority of Reps and Branch Officers do it because they want to do the best
for the members, and do not sell out.

[Martin Walsh]

Baldrick the pec bloke who became the Royal Mail trainers has the intials (Edited by POSTMAN) The reason he lost in the pec election was because he attended the unofficial anti employee agenda meeting which branchs and divisons organised in early 96 to stop Royal Mail`s teamworking agenda and Alan Johnson `s support. Whilst other pec members attended (Edited by POSTMAN)was Alan Johnson spy in the room and paid the consequences in the PEC elections.

[andy2007]

We had an ex-National Executive Committee UPW/CWU member who got voted off the NEC and then became a
Admin Manager at my MC. He used to take training sessions with our members who said he always used the
training sessions as an opportunity to slag off the local Reps and the CWU.
We had one other CWU Rep who after he was unsucessfull in getting elected to Area Rep,
went over to Management and was rapidly promoted to Shift Manager, but was subsequently moved to another office.
And one person who stood for Political Officer just to go on the CWU IT training course (and get the expenses)
before going over to Management.
But it must be said that the vast majority of Reps and Branch Officers do it because they want to do the best
for the members, and do not sell out.

Exactly! Just because someone goes over to Management. It doesn't mean that they are selling out. Just because they are a former Union Rep, it shouldn't exclude them from becoming Managers.

It's always easier to change things from within, than without. Only time will tell, whether the former Rep will use the position t attempt change. Or simply sell out. But please don't jump to conclusions, without giving him a chance.

[BELIAL]

[andy2007]

No, I'm serious. A minority of Managers, take the job, to try to improve things for all. Even fewer of them manage to do so. But there are some. Mine for example, is even acknowledged by our Union Reps, as having done a great deal for us. Yet there are other Managers at the same site, who have endless run ins with the Union. It all depends on your intentions, and your strength of Mind. Some make it. Many others fall by the wayside, or become Managers for the wrong reasons.

[andy2007]

No, I'm serious. A minority of Managers, take the job, to try to improve things for all. Even fewer of them manage to do so. But there are some. Mine for example, is even acknowledged by our Union Reps, as having done a great deal for us. Yet there are other Managers at the same site, who have endless run ins with the Union. It all depends on your intentions, and your strength of Mind. Some make it. Many others fall by the wayside, or become Managers for the wrong reasons.

Respect to you and your local members, youve got lucky But i will NEVER trust someone who changes sides! I may respect them as a person but never ever trust them!

I can understand why. As I said: very few manage to stick to their principles. Frankly, I can count the ones I've come across who have, on the fingers of one hand. But as he will be put under emense pressure to "tow the Management line". It's (in my opinion) in everyone's interests to give him a chance. Because it will make it easier for him to resist that pressure.

Obviously, if he betrays you. You should treat him accordingly. But he might surprise you. The fact that he's previously been a Rep, increases the odds that he will do the right thing.

[marky]

is he from belfast.

[Johnny_Rad]

I thought union rep was a step up to management. Our union rep is the DOM's pet. He is absolutely useless as a rep but he is desperate to be management..

[paul_skinback]

I thought union rep was a step up to management. Our union rep is the DOM's pet. He is absolutely useless as a rep but he is desperate to be management..

Oh look another crap rep We got one of those Its a disease thats catching!