how brown is my reps nose?

Post by **drevil1969uk** » 09 Oct 2008, 03:18

does anyone else have this problem with there rep? whenever i go to mine and say i have a problem he straight away defends management first then it ends pretty much with him always saying i cant help you, whats the point?

norbert · Post by **norbert** » 09 Oct 2008, 08:48

drevil1969uk wrote:does anyone else have this problem with there rep? whenever i go to mine and say i have a problem he straight away defends management first then it ends pretty much with him always saying i cant help you, whats the point?

one of those handwringers ? - in that case go above him if you've good cause to do so

Post by **drevil1969uk** » 09 Oct 2008, 14:53

fella above isnt much better in honest and going above again they go back down to chain!!

norbert · Post by **norbert** » 09 Oct 2008, 17:20

drevil1969uk wrote:fella above isnt much better in honest and going above again they go back down to chain!!

so it means you've got to fight your own battles - great !- if you get any problems , keep a record of at least trying to go through union channels

the other problem with unions , is them sitting on things - unfortunately that's not a good idea with confrontational management

from my experience it means more problems when things get really bad and/ or the Union closing ranks to protect bad reps

brothermagrew · Post by **brothermagrew** » 09 Oct 2008, 18:00

norbert wrote:
drevil1969uk wrote:fella above isnt much better in honest and going above again they go back down to chain!!
so it means you've got to fight your own battles - great !- if you get any problems , keep a record of at least trying to go through union channels

the other problem with unions , is them sitting on things - unfortunately that's not a good idea with confrontational management

from my experience it means more problems when things get really bad and/ or the Union closing ranks to protect bad reps

May not be the case of bad reps but more like ad hoc reps who have so far yet been unable or unwilling to get themselves on official trade union courses which are there for their benefit and ultimately for the benefit of their trade union colleagues. The functions granted to me as a CWU health and safety rep is that I represent only CWU members. Or in other words, I was appointed as a workplace representative (health and safety) in respect of the following groups of staff: C.W.U. members and to have the following functions ............

norbert · Post by **norbert** » 09 Oct 2008, 18:22

brothermagrew wrote:
norbert wrote:
drevil1969uk wrote:fella above isnt much better in honest and going above again they go back down to chain!!
so it means you've got to fight your own battles - great !- if you get any problems , keep a record of at least trying to go through union channels

the other problem with unions , is them sitting on things - unfortunately that's not a good idea with confrontational management

from my experience it means more problems when things get really bad and/ or the Union closing ranks to protect bad reps
May not be the case of bad reps but more like ad hoc reps who have so far yet been unable or unwilling to get themselves on official trade union courses which are there for their benefit and ultimately for the benefit of their trade union colleagues. The functions granted to me as a CWU health and safety rep is that I represent only CWU members. Or in other words, I was appointed as a workplace representative (health and safety) in respect of the following groups of staff: C.W.U. members and to have the following functions

............

some of this was a dig at another big Union - and reps just playing games and/ or bent reps that make Jimmy Hoffa look straight - then the paid Union Official trying to close ranks to cover for them .

I agree there has to be training - especially with managerial redefinition and moving the goalposts - otherwise managers will take advantage of it

Post by **lekker** » 24 Oct 2008, 17:40

Been a rep for many years now and I must admit to allowing myself a wry smile at this post. Quite often we are in a "no-win" situation with our members who will come to us with complaints that are just not sustainable and then complain because we don't tell them what they want to hear. Simple fact is that our members are not always right in their moans about the management and we find ourselves having to tell them that. Before you tell me I'm a brown nose, I've been fitted up on more charges by management than I care to recall - so I've got no liking for them.

Big Daz · Post by **Big Daz** » 24 Oct 2008, 19:20

Well put lekker!!!!

Ive got a member who wont even let me finish explaining something (including national and area aggements) without accusing me of sounding like one of them or accusing of being just like a previous DOM.

Gets annoying at times.

norbert · Post by **norbert** » 25 Oct 2008, 16:36

lekker wrote:Been a rep for many years now and I must admit to allowing myself a wry smile at this post. Quite often we are in a "no-win" situation with our members who will come to us with complaints that are just not sustainable and then complain because we don't tell them what they want to hear. Simple fact is that our members are not always right in their moans about the management and we find ourselves having to tell them that. Before you tell me I'm a brown nose, I've been fitted up on more charges by management than I care to recall - so I've got no liking for them.

some people expect the reps and the union to be able to wave a magic wand

Post by **dvbuk55** » 27 Oct 2008, 16:51

The problem with most people is that they don't or cannot read the information, such as agreements which is freely available on the website, there are immediate issues which are pretty sketchy at times if covered at all to be honest but standard issues such as attendance, sickness procedures and agreements on delivery and health and safety issues etc. are there for everyone to read.

islfor · Post by **islfor** » 27 Oct 2008, 19:00

dvbuk55 wrote:The problem with most people is that they don't or cannot read the information, such as agreements which is freely available on the website, there are immediate issues which are pretty sketchy at times if covered at all to be honest but standard issues such as attendance, sickness procedures and agreements on delivery and health and safety issues etc. are there for everyone to read.

Here,Here

marky · Post by **marky** » 28 Oct 2008, 23:12

how brown is my reps nose?

not as brown as some reps over here in northern ireland.