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no delivery supplement, refuse D2Ds?
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no delivery supplement, refuse D2Ds?
not for myself, but a fellow new starter is in the predicament unsure whether he gets the delivery supplement. He has enquired over the weeks and managers play dumb and sidestep him on the issue, saying its in with the new rate. He initially refused to do the door to doors, saying if not getting paid for them he has no need to do them. In recent weeks he started doing them, beng led on by what he was told. Does he have a case for not doing them, or could this be wilful delay?
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Re: no delivery supplement, refuse D2Ds?
The Delivery Supplement is NOT for door to doors and hasn't been since a few years before I joined RM in 2012.
Since November 2022 new starters get NO supplements at all , it wasn't in the contract at all. Carry on refusing to do them and he may well be heading out of the door. His only case for not doing them is because he hasn't read his contract, presumably he also knows that he doesn't get paid breaks (he gets any legally entitled breaks but is not paid for them).
Since November 2022 new starters get NO supplements at all , it wasn't in the contract at all. Carry on refusing to do them and he may well be heading out of the door. His only case for not doing them is because he hasn't read his contract, presumably he also knows that he doesn't get paid breaks (he gets any legally entitled breaks but is not paid for them).
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Re: no delivery supplement, refuse D2Ds?
For f***s sake not again
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Re: no delivery supplement, refuse D2Ds?
New contracts have no delivery supplement and no paid breaks.
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Re: no delivery supplement, refuse D2Ds?
He is getting paid for his time isn't he? Of course he is getting paid for the D2Ds. And from what you say, the manager hasn't side stepped anything. The equivalent of a supplement is baked into his hourly rate and the manager has said so.dazzler123 wrote: ↑28 Oct 2023, 09:33not for myself, but a fellow new starter is in the predicament unsure whether he gets the delivery supplement. He has enquired over the weeks and managers play dumb and sidestep him on the issue, saying its in with the new rate. He initially refused to do the door to doors, saying if not getting paid for them he has no need to do them. In recent weeks he started doing them, beng led on by what he was told. Does he have a case for not doing them, or could this be wilful delay?
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Re: no delivery supplement, refuse D2Ds?
The delivery supplement is paid on the older contracts for working in delivery ( well that’s what I’ve been told) nothing to do with d2d’s. As stated, those on new terms don’t receive this or paid breaks, which is a disgrace, but there we go.
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Re: no delivery supplement, refuse D2Ds?
Their hourly rate is more than the ones on the old contract, go figure a union who agreed a deal with this in place tells you everything about this company and union.
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Re: no delivery supplement, refuse D2Ds?
The overtime rate after 40 hours is, they are on much lower pay before that kicks in.guardianangel wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 08:16Their hourly rate is more than the ones on the old contract, go figure a union who agreed a deal with this in place tells you everything about this company and union.
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Re: no delivery supplement, refuse D2Ds?
And the enhanced rate after 40 hours is still less than a delivery postie on the older contract would earn per hour.SMS1969 wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 09:19The overtime rate after 40 hours is, they are on much lower pay before that kicks in.guardianangel wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 08:16Their hourly rate is more than the ones on the old contract, go figure a union who agreed a deal with this in place tells you everything about this company and union.
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Re: no delivery supplement, refuse D2Ds?
Correct, the new rate is £12.29, then overtime over 40 hours at 1.25x so 12.29 x 1.25 = £15.36The Postman wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 15:09And the enhanced rate after 40 hours is still less than a delivery postie on the older contract would earn per hour.SMS1969 wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 09:19The overtime rate after 40 hours is, they are on much lower pay before that kicks in.guardianangel wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 08:16Their hourly rate is more than the ones on the old contract, go figure a union who agreed a deal with this in place tells you everything about this company and union.
I've just worked out my rate taking into account we get delivery supplement and paid breaks works out at around £15.50.
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Re: no delivery supplement, refuse D2Ds?
Dont know where you get £15.50 it actually works out to £13.38 the paid breaks are already counted in the 37 hour weekted_e_bear wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 15:34Correct, the new rate is £12.29, then overtime over 40 hours at 1.25x so 12.29 x 1.25 = £15.36The Postman wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 15:09And the enhanced rate after 40 hours is still less than a delivery postie on the older contract would earn per hour.SMS1969 wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 09:19The overtime rate after 40 hours is, they are on much lower pay before that kicks in.guardianangel wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 08:16Their hourly rate is more than the ones on the old contract, go figure a union who agreed a deal with this in place tells you everything about this company and union.
I've just worked out my rate taking into account we get delivery supplement and paid breaks works out at around £15.50.
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Re: no delivery supplement, refuse D2Ds?
I am on a “new” 40-hour contract. I am paid £14.60 per hour, with overtime paid at £18.25 per hour. I’m more than happy with that – even if I have unpaid breaks and no delivery allowance.
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Re: no delivery supplement, refuse D2Ds?
You should be ,the pay works out roughly the same only you work an extra 3 hours but do get paid a better overtime rateSmoothbackground wrote: ↑30 Oct 2023, 09:23I am on a “new” 40-hour contract. I am paid £14.60 per hour, with overtime paid at £18.25 per hour. I’m more than happy with that – even if I have unpaid breaks and no delivery allowance.
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Re: no delivery supplement, refuse D2Ds?
guardianangel wrote: ↑30 Oct 2023, 14:23You should be ,the pay works out roughly the same only you work an extra 3 hours but do get paid a better overtime rateSmoothbackground wrote: ↑30 Oct 2023, 09:23I am on a “new” 40-hour contract. I am paid £14.60 per hour, with overtime paid at £18.25 per hour. I’m more than happy with that – even if I have unpaid breaks and no delivery allowance.
Dont get how where you get your figures Guadianangel?guardianangel wrote: ↑29 Oct 2023, 08:16Their hourly rate is more than the ones on the old contract, go figure a union who agreed a deal with this in place tells you everything about this company and union.
New contracts are worse than the old ones. The union let the new guys get screwed.
They get £12.29 for the 1st 40hours. Old contracts get £13.38 for the 1st 37hours + £28 delivery sup.
After 40hours new guys get £15 per hour. Old contracts rates drop & drop again.
When new & old contracts do about 70hours they earn the same amount. Up to that point the old contracts earn more
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