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LTB 208/23 - RMG/CWU Business Recovery, Transformation And Growth Agreement: Seasonal Variation (Exceptions Process)

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LTB 208/23 - RMG/CWU Business Recovery, Transformation And Growth Agreement: Seasonal Variation (Exceptions Process)

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LTB 208/23 – RMG/CWU Business Recovery, Transformation And Growth Agreement: Seasonal Variation (Exceptions Process)
No. 208/23

August 11th 2023

Dear Colleagues,

RMG/CWU Business Recovery, Transformation And Growth Agreement: Seasonal Variation (Exceptions Process)

Further to LTB 191/23 (Letter To Branches) issued on the 18th July, which updated Branches and Representatives in terms of moving forward the commitments contained in the Business Transformation, Recovery and Growth Agreement in relation to Appendix 1, Seasonal Variation, and the very challenging timelines linked to this aspect of the agreement.

Since this LTB was issued and despite the subsequent ODM 16/23 (Outdoor Department Memo), issued on the 24th July, we have continued to receive reports that there remains confusion and uncertainty amongst Branches and members on the Exception Process for Seasonal Variation.

As such, please find attached the Royal Mail & CWU Joint Guidance on the Exception Process for Seasonal Variation, which confirms that this process is directly linked to the national rollout in September. Members will still be able to apply for Flexible Working/Family Friendly arrangements and where they have a Seasonal Variation exception request rejected following the outlined appeal, this can be challenged via the Individual Grievance Procedure.

It should also be noted that this process is for Seasonal Variation only and is separate from the further required Exception Process linked to the outlined changes to start and finishing times, under the Network Window section of the BTR&G Agreement due in 2024.

In issuing this LTB on the Exception Process, it is also important to further remind Branches, Representatives, and members alike that where individuals wish to submit an Exception Process request, they should not delay in doing so and should submit that request as a matter of priority, (noting that members currently on sick or other leave will have 5 working days from the date they return to work to submit such a request).

In closing, can Branches and Reps please ensure this LTB is given the widest possible circulation with members, noting that Royal Mail is currently undertaking an internal audit of their managers to confirm that all employees in deliveries have received the National Seasonal Variation WTLL Briefing, which in addition to other points, also sets out the Exception Process and its linked timelines.

Any queries to the content of the above please contact the Outdoor Department reference 532, email address: njones@cwu.org.

Yours sincerely,

Mark Baulch
CWU Assistant Secretary

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The exception process ends on the 18th of august I would add
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Why would you need an exception from starting work 24 minutes earlier in the morning?
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Not had any wtll session. Our managers cant be bothered giving any.
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Is there a form where we can fill in to be paid for the hours we work and not 8 months later,i'd like to be paid the extra 2 hours now and not left in Royal Mails bank getting interest,and next summer im quite happy to be paid for 35 hrs,this is a serious question for any union officials,will the union help me get paid for the hours worked as it is my legal right.
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guardianangel wrote:
11 Aug 2023, 19:46
Is there a form where we can fill in to be paid for the hours we work and not 8 months later,i'd like to be paid the extra 2 hours now and not left in Royal Mails bank getting interest,and next summer im quite happy to be paid for 35 hrs,this is a serious question for any union officials,will the union help me get paid for the hours worked as it is my legal right.
This is far too logical for either party to have implemented and obvious 2
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guardianangel wrote:
11 Aug 2023, 19:46
Is there a form where we can fill in to be paid for the hours we work and not 8 months later,i'd like to be paid the extra 2 hours now and not left in Royal Mails bank getting interest,and next summer im quite happy to be paid for 35 hrs,this is a serious question for any union officials,will the union help me get paid for the hours worked as it is my legal right.
Same, now we're stuck with this, like you I'd much prefer to be paid for whatever I work.
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ted_e_bear wrote:
11 Aug 2023, 20:35
guardianangel wrote:
11 Aug 2023, 19:46
Is there a form where we can fill in to be paid for the hours we work and not 8 months later,i'd like to be paid the extra 2 hours now and not left in Royal Mails bank getting interest,and next summer im quite happy to be paid for 35 hrs,this is a serious question for any union officials,will the union help me get paid for the hours worked as it is my legal right.
Same, now we're stuck with this, like you I'd much prefer to be paid for whatever I work.
I wonder what legal rights i would have if i refused the extra 2 hours unless i get paid ,and if i leave have whats owed me in cash not holiday.
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guardianangel wrote:
12 Aug 2023, 05:46
ted_e_bear wrote:
11 Aug 2023, 20:35
guardianangel wrote:
11 Aug 2023, 19:46
Is there a form where we can fill in to be paid for the hours we work and not 8 months later,i'd like to be paid the extra 2 hours now and not left in Royal Mails bank getting interest,and next summer im quite happy to be paid for 35 hrs,this is a serious question for any union officials,will the union help me get paid for the hours worked as it is my legal right.
Same, now we're stuck with this, like you I'd much prefer to be paid for whatever I work.
I wonder what legal rights i would have if i refused the extra 2 hours unless i get paid ,and if i leave have whats owed me in cash not holiday.
If you leave you get the money back for the extra hours you have worked.
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LouBarlow wrote:
12 Aug 2023, 06:20
guardianangel wrote:
12 Aug 2023, 05:46

I wonder what legal rights i would have if i refused the extra 2 hours unless i get paid ,and if i leave have whats owed me in cash not holiday.
If you leave you get the money back for the extra hours you have worked.
And you can rest assured no mistakes will be made :roll:
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LouBarlow wrote:
11 Aug 2023, 19:22
Why would you need an exception from starting work 24 minutes earlier in the morning?
It is both a change to the starting time and a longer day.
Anyone with caring responsibilities may have difficulties.

Someone caring for a person who goes to a special school may need to be the person to drop them off and/ or collect them. These changes may impact on the employee and a person with a disability.

Anyone who cares for anyone, should that be a parent, partner or friend will understand the huge problems that small changes can make.

Unless you are a person caring for someone it can be difficult to appreciate this.
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don,t bother pal , waste of time talking to that pleb !
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LouBarlow wrote:
11 Aug 2023, 19:22
Why would you need an exception from starting work 24 minutes earlier in the morning?
One of our lads drops his son off on the way to work at the earliest opening nursery in our area which opens at 7.30.
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Where and how do you fill in the form
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I've heard it's through an app called workplace but I go on it it asks for my business email any ideas anyone???